Rock and the Temple
Lecture given by Dr. Kinley on April 23, 1975 in Los Angeles, California.
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DR. KINLEY: ... ever so much. As usual, I'm always glad to testify in the defense of our Savior, and to tell you about the deception that is going on in the world, and when I do that, I realize that I must suffer persecution, but I am prepared.
The scripture lesson there said, the Apostle Saul said it, about he reckoned that the sufferings of that present time, at that time, was not worthy to be compared with the glory that shall be revealed in us. Not only that, it's necessary for you to do some research, pay some attention. And you yourself know, you know without me even telling you anything about it, that there, there's a lot of erroneous doctrines that has been taught all over the world. You know that. If one is right, the other is always something wrong. ____ ____ ____. It just don't seem like there's much unrighteousness, ignorance, colossal stupidity in the world, it don't seem like it oughta be like that, but it is. For example, if you heard me say that I didn't believe in God, now then you'd call me an atheist. Right?
STUDENT BODY: Right.
DR. KINLEY: And the reason for that is because you don't know, you just imagine that you know. And if you heard me say that I didn't believe in Jesus Christ, now that's blaspheming too. And if I said I didn't believe in the Lord, now that's just, that's terrible. But I don't! (STUDENT BODY LAUGHS)
And if you do, you don't know no better. That sounds bad, I know. And now I thought what we would do after awhile is to tell you something about the purpose of this school, why it was founded. It was founded because they will not permit us to go into the churches and to teach the truth. They will not, they, they, they, they, they will not allow it. They do not know the truth. And since, since we been having this class in here like this question and answers tonight. Now you have an opportunity now to jump right into that, that you just heard me say, and do some investigating. You should.
Now this is another thing I wanna remind you of. We have asked that the new people, instead of setting way back in the back back there, we've asked to, make some provisions to get 'em up here close to these charts so they can see.
And now another thing I wanna mention to you is this. This is not a church, this is a school. Now when you go to school you expect to learn something you don't know. That's, that's what you go to school for. So, if that be the case, you should be expecting to learn something here that you don't know anything about, if you're new. And I wanna say again that this gospel has been preached all over the world, ever since it's been formed. Yahweh's making it His business to teach you that is preached and taught. That's His responsibility.
I'd like for you to look at the 24th chapter of Matthew. I want to impress this on your mind. Now I did not say that I didn't believe in a supreme deity. I didn't say that. I said I didn't believe in the Lord, God, and Jesus Christ, and the only reason why you do is because you don't know. Then that's what we're down here for is to tell you about it. Start with the 24th chapter and read a few verses. First, second, and third.
READER: And Yahshua went out, and departed from the temple:
DR. KINLEY: Now it said and Yahshua, didn't say Jesus, as you have in your King James Version of the Bible. Now that was alright until you learnt better. And Yahshua went out and what?
READER: Departed from the temple.
DR. KINLEY: And departed from the temple. That's the Herodian Temple, that the Masons and other fraternal organizations know something about. Now this is the tabernacle. The temple sit here on Mount Moriah in Jerusalem. There was three temples. Solomon's Temple, and what's the other one?
STUDENT BODY: Zerubbabel DR. KINLEY: Zerubbabel. that's two. STUDENT BODY: And the Herodian.
DR. KINLEY: And the Herodian, that's three. All set right there on Mt. Moriah. Now that's what, that's where they were where you're reading about. They went out from the temple. Mt. Moriah in Jerusalem. And they were talking to Him about the temple, Yahshua the Messiah, or Jesus Christ. Then what?
READER: and his disciples came to him for to show him the buildings of the temple.
DR. KINLEY: Now the disciples come to Him to show Him about the, the, the temple. Now right while we're there on that, let me say this. Now His disciples, they followed Him around for 3 1/2 years, everyday. They looked at what He done. They witnessed the things that He done, and did you know that they didn't know and they didn't understand nothing about it. They were not the only ones. There was the Pharisees, that was the strictest religious sect of the Jews. And then there was the scribes, a scribe is a copiest (copyist?). And then there was the Sadducees that didn't believe in the resurrection, and they, they called Him Beelzebub. They said He was wrong, and so forth and so on. Now before you move, read John 2:19. Now we're going back to where we were there.
READER: John 2:19 Yahshua answered and said unto them, DR. KINLEY: To the scribes, Pharisees. READER: destroy DR. KINLEY: And Yahshua answered and sad unto them READER: Destroy this temple,
DR. KINLEY: Destroy... Now wait a minute. Now I just, I wanna show you how people make awful bad mistakes. He didn't say destroy that temple. Is that the way it reads in your Bible? Said destroy this temple, and then what?
READER: and in three days I will raise it up.
DR. KINLEY: and in three days I will raise it up. Now that's what He said, talking to the Pharisees and Scribes. Now you pay attention. You hear. ____, are you paying attention?
MAN: Yes, sir. DR. KINLEY: Now read the ____. READER: Then said the Jews DR. KINLEY: Then said the Jews READER: Forty and six years was this temple in the building
DR. KINLEY: Now forty and six years, that's 46 years the Herodian Temple was in building, and at that time it was not complete. But it had been builded, been in the building 46 years, this temple they built. Not realizing that He wasn't talking about the temple up out here. Don't forget now His disciples they were telling Him something about it, as if though He didn't know. Now how about that? Now what did.. Finish reading that.
READER: and will thou rear it up in three days?
DR. KINLEY: And will you raise it up in three days? You see how, see how little they knew about it. 'Our fathers have been 46 years in building this temple, and here you set around here talking about you're gonna raise it up in three days.' Just looks like an impossibility, wouldn't you say? To them. How you gonna raise it up in three days? Now He didn't explain Hisself. He just let it go at that, but John did explain it. Alright, read.
READER: But he spake of the temple of his body.
DR. KINLEY: But He spake of the temple. This temple was a figure of His body. Now they're telling Him and asking Him about, and trying to show Him something about the temple of His body. Now this is the Creator incarnated in a physical body and this temple is a figure of Him. Now they're trying to show Him something about it. Now wouldn't that paralyze you? You see how little they knew about it. But He spake of the temple of His body, and that He was going to raise that up in three days, meaning that He would be crucified and buried and in three days He's be resurrected from the dead. That's what He meant by what He said. And He didn't say destroy that temple, He said destroy this temple, and I'll raise it again in three days. I'll lay my life down and I'll take it up again in three days. And He didn't explain it at all, they never did, they, they never knew at all what He was talking about, until after He resurrected from the dead. Now look. Listen folks. They followed Him around three and a half years and didn't know what He was doing. I mean looking right at Him everyday. How 'bout that? Did you know that? Now it might be necessary to prove that to you, that they did not know. Now you got the same situation out here now. For example, just to, just to show you. This temple that was in Jerusalem there... Now I don't know whether you know this or not but there's a Muslim mosque there on Mt. Moriah, right where the temple used to be at, this time. Is that right? You folks that went with us when we walked up to it and put our hands on it. Is that right? In Jerusalem in Mt. Moriah. 1971, October. And that Muslim mosque was there and they, they hadn't really finished it up.
Now that brings me around to say something to you about the situation there. He said destroy this temple and He'd raise it up again in three days. Now He did resurrect from the dead, and in this conversation in the 5th chapter of Matthew, in this conversation where His disciples were showing Him the layout of this temple and telling Him about it. And yet and still they was in and out there everyday, where you are, course they did go in other parts of the country. Alright read. Now he's picking up the story here.
READER: and Yahshua went out, and departed from the temple: DR. KINLEY: See that.
READER: and his disciples came to him for to show him the buildings of the temple. And Yahshua said unto them, See ye not all these things? verily I say unto you, There shall not be left here one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down.
DR. KINLEY: Now how about that? Such an edifice as that, such a building, ____ overlaid with gold, the Holy Place and the Most Holy Place in the temple, this is the tabernacle, but in the temple it was lined with gold and embellished with angelic figures. Now that gold, like this figures ____ ____ and then that, pomegranates, angelic figures cut out in wood then gold is soft and you press that gold inside,, I mean you press that gold in those angelic figures all round the walls, I got my hand on the walls, I hope you take it that I do mean the walls, both in the Most Holy Place and also in the Holy Place. And all of these vessels in there: the Ark of the Covenant and the two cherubims of glory, the golden candlestick, the altar of incense, and the table of shewbread, they were gold there. The Outer Court, that had brass, a brazen laver and a brazen altar. Now I'll, I'll have to just stop and tell you this, I don't have time to go into it. This Herodian Temple didn't have the Ark of the Covenant in it. I don't know whether some of you knew that or not but I just thought I'd tell you about it, it didn't have it. What it had in there was a stone. Solomon's Temple when that temple was torn down by Nebuchadnezzar when he plundered Jerusalem, broke down the walls and tore down the temple; Jeremiah was told of Yahweh to, to hide the Ark of the Covenant, and he hid it in a cave. Now you don't have that in your King James Version of the Bible, but you do have it in what?
STUDENT: The Maccabees
DR. KINLEY: The Maccabees, 1st Maccabees. Now you have that in there. Now they had, they did have a replica of it when they went into Babylon, but they did not have the Ark of the Covenant. So I thought I'd just tell you that, while we were there. ____ ____ ____ but that's what belongs in there.
Now they talked to Him about the temple and He said to them, now listen, there wouldn't be one stone left upon top of another that wouldn't be torn down. Titus, the Roman Emperor, come up from Rome, went into Jerusalem with soldiers and tore down every bit of that temple in A.D. 70; and it has not been rebuilt since. How 'bout that. Now that temple was torn down. Now, the reason why I brought this up, now a lot of people are under the impression...
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DR. KINLEY: being whatever it is, the Baptist Church, the Methodist Church, the Roman Catholic Church, and the church of this and the church of that, and so forth and so on. Now Yahweh does not dwell in none of 'em. Maybe you better read that. Acts 17:24.
READER: Acts 17:24 DR. KINLEY: Acts 17:24 READER: Yahweh who made the world DR. KINLEY: Now Yahweh who made the world READER: and all things therein DR. KINLEY: and all things therein READER: seeing that he is ruler of heaven and earth
DR. KINLEY: seeing that he is ruler of heaven and earth. Now wait just a minute. Wait a minute He's got a companion there that seems to be the ruler. And you'd read on, wouldn't pay no attention to that too. I'm talking about the Pope. They say of him..., I mean it's in writing, it's documented that he is the ruler of the world and that he has power to put anybody in heaven, issues indulgence and so forth and so on, or credits. And if you happen to be a little bit short on your credits, then he takes some from Mary, His divine Son, or His divine mother of that divine Son, and add it to you to get you by for a small fee, all depending on how much you're worth. High mass which means indulgence or credits.
And now here's Yahshua the Messiah said, 'no man goeth unto the father but by me.' Pope said, that's wrong. Roman Catholics say that's wrong. Said, 'he has plentitude of power, and he can put you into heaven.' There ain't nothing like that written in the Bible. I'll tell what is written in there though and they misquote that. Said to Peter, 'I give you the keys of the kingdom, and whatsoever, and whatsoever,' not whosoever, 'and whatsoever you bind on earth will be bound in heaven. And whatsoever is bound in heaven shall be bound on earth.' Didn't say a thing about him putting anybody in heaven, that is not in the Bible. And Peter and no pope never did put nobody in heaven at anytime. I said he never put nobody in heaven.
Now listen fella maybe you might just think I'm, I'm a liar, and the pope know, and the Roman Catholics know more about this than I do, and I'm just stupid. Now everybody in this building that's ever had anybody to die, that's ever belonged to the Roman Catholic Church, you go back to the cemetery and that's where you'll find the deceased. See that now? Now that's the way it is. Somebody said, 'well you don't understand.' Pope Pius the 12th put Mary in heaven, so they say in May 1950, whole soul, body, and spirit. That was one of the great master miracles that he performed. That's right. And he also promoted the archangel Gabriel, that's the messenger angel, over all the lines of communication: telephones, t.v.'s, radios, and all the lines of communication. He promoted him. That's Pope Pius the 12th. Now those are documented statements. I wouldn't stand up here and say that, nothing like that if it, if it wasn't documented, it's right in our book, and I sent to the Vatican too, the book was.
Now look folks, wouldn't it be reasonable to assume that if the Pope could put anybody in heaven it would be a downright disgrace to let Mary the mother of
God, so they say, and God is a spirit, lay out there in the cemetery all that long time till May 1950, before he put her in heaven. Now that, now that, now that'd be a disgrace to tell anybody that, even if he did do it. It would be a disgrace to let her lay out there that long before he'd go and did something about it, wouldn't you think? That's right.
Now when I come along and tell you something like that then people say, 'well listen here, there's millions of people, 577 million, people that are Roman Catholics that believe the teaching of the church,' as they call it. Okay, now then, look into this. I'll go on. Now, they're digging around under St. Peter's Basilica, digging around under St. Peter's Basilica trying to find the body of Peter, and it's supposed to be right under the altar. And you have had a write up here in the paper here not too long ago about that. Some woman was supposed to have discovered it. Now let's be reasonable about it. Now if Yahshua the Messiah was buried in Joseph's new tomb and He resurrected from the dead and ascended into heaven, Pope Pius the 12th put Mary in heaven whole soul, body, and spirit. And now here's Saint Peter laying down there under St. Peter's Basilica and they can't put him in. Now here's the reason why they can't put him in cause that day that the St. Peter's, listen now, St. Peter's Basilica is founded on, built on, built on Pete. Now there ain't no sense in you being that stupid, just no sense in it at all. Now you know why I said something about that? It's because this temple was here in Moriah, Mount Moriah was builded on the rock. And that rock was not Peter. Now they tried to build there before and dig down in the deepness there and uncover it so that they could have a solid foundation. And you know what was down there? A volcano.
Now look here folks. This temple represented a spiritual, not a physical. Now here Roman Catholicism comes along and built this up, and they built it on Peter. Matthew 16:18. And we're gonna, we're coming back to where we were.
READER: Matthew 16:18. And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I
DR. KINLEY: Now you see, you got the same situation there that you had in John 2:19. And I say unto thee... Now the reason why that question come up, He said, 'Who do men say that I the Son of Man am?' And Peter spoke up and said
READER: thou are the Messiah, the son of the living Elohim DR. KINLEY: thou are the Messiah, the son of the living Elohim. Read. READER: and Yahshua answered and said unto him DR. KINLEY: and Yahshua answered and said unto them READER: blessed are thou, Simon Bar-jona DR. KINLEY: blessed are thou, Simon Bar-jona READER: for flesh and blood has
DR. KINLEY: Hold it! Now you wouldn't realize that you was right back into something that concerned the resurrection. You, you wouldn't know that. Now put, hold your finger on that. Matthew 12:40, 12:39 and 40 and we'll be right back.
READER: but he answered and said unto them an evil and adulterous generation seeketh after a sign; DR. KINLEY: Now listen this is what I'm talking about. READER: then certain of the scribes DR. KINLEY: then certain of the scribes READER: and the Pharisees DR. KINLEY: and the pharisees READER: answered DR. KINLEY: answered READER: saying, DR. KINLEY: saying, READER: Rabbi; DR. KINLEY: Rabbi; READER: we would see a sign from thee. DR. KINLEY: we would see a sign from thee. READER: But he answered and said unto them, DR. KINLEY: But he answered and said unto them, READER: An evil and adulterous generation DR. KINLEY: An evil and adulterous generation READER: seeketh after a sign; DR. KINLEY: seeketh after a sign; READER: and there shall no sign be given DR. KINLEY: and there shall no sign be given READER: to it, DR. KINLEY: to it, READER: but the sign of the prophet Jonah DR. KINLEY: but the sign of the prophet Jonah READER: For as Jonah was three days
DR. KINLEY: Now you see that? Bar-jona, Jonah. Now where he was at, at that time was where the, not the whale, where the, the fish that He had prepared back there with Jonah, and spit him out on dry land. When Jonah, He had told him to go to Nineveh, and he boarded the boat and he was going on his way to Tarshish, where the Apostle Saul come from. And the sea begin to be turbulent, disturbed and great massive waves rose up. And so then Jonah was taken, Jonah was taken, and throwed overboard in the sea and the fish swallowed him up. Is that right? And now the fish was in the, Jonah was in the belly of the fish three days and three nights, not like you look at days and nights, but as Yahweh looks at it. Now as Jonah was in the belly of the fish three days and three nights, even shall the Son of Man be in the heart of the earth three days and three nights.
Now they had asked him to show them a sign, the Pharisees and scribes there; and so that's what He told them. And did you know, until this day, that isn't understood. Now listen, I ain't got no time to work with that tonight, just ain't got no time to work with it. And that'll carry you all the way back to Genesis, would carry you on, on down in there really good. He was not in the grave no 72 hours, which most folks would call three days and three nights, and the way you would calculate time, no that ain't, that ain't the way it was; and neither was Jonah in the belly of the fish that long. But my point is that I'm trying to get you to see... Now he's come forth to the place where Jonah is going on, that whale is, or the fish, you got whale in the book there, that the fish had spit him out. And so now He asked him the question, 'who do men say that I, the Son of Man, am?
Now the Jews, you know what they say about that? Said I told you that, and He said Himself, that He was the son of Joseph, that He was the son of a man, from this verse, and refer you to this too. But here's a man, this incorporeal man, that He was the son of. Is that right? Alright. Now we're to a place, I want you to see the connection now, I want you to see through, and through and understand what I'm talking about, and follow through because it will help.
So now He asked him, He said, 'who do men say that I, the Son of Man, am?' And then, who?
READER: And they said, DR. KINLEY: Now I want the man's name now. READER: down to 17. And Yahshua answered and said unto him, blessed art thou Simon Bar-jona DR. KINLEY: blessed art thou Simon Bar-jona. Now that was actually Peter's name. Is that right? Read. READER: for flesh and blood has not revealed
DR. KINLEY: Now, now you watch now. You be careful. Cause now this is where they put their stinger on you, Roman Catholics. He said now, for flesh and blood has not revealed this unto you.
READER: but my Father which is in heaven DR. KINLEY: but my Father which is in Nazareth STUDENT BODY: No
DR. KINLEY: Joseph. You see the difference? But my Father which is in heaven. Alright. Flesh and blood now. Now Joseph was almost a flesh and blood man, wasn't he? But His Father which is in heaven, flesh and blood don't inherit the kingdom. Now we're trying to straighten up a few things that you just run on and the preacher just got you just running helter skelter telling you all kinds of lies. They did, ya'll never heard a man say anything at all about why he brought that up at this place. Did you ever hear any one say anything like that?
STUDENT BODY: No DR. KINLEY: Alright, read on. READER: and I say also unto thee DR. KINLEY: and I say also unto thee READER: that thou art Peter, DR. KINLEY: that thou art Peter, READER: and upon this rock
DR. KINLEY: Now wait just a minute. And upon.., not that He was gonna build it, now He's talking to Peter. Now this is the way its written in their Bible, the Roman Catholic Bible too. Now He said upon this rock, not upon that rock which is Peter. Destroy this temple, not that temple; upon this rock, not that rock. Do you follow? And I could say, what rock? Then make you read what rock. I think I'll do that. 10th chapter of 1st Corinthians.
READER: 10th chapter, 1st Corinthians DR. KINLEY: Alright. READER: Moreover brethren DR. KINLEY: Now, now Peter, Paul don't want you to be ignorant about this. Read on. READER: I would not that you should be ignorant, DR. KINLEY: I would not that you should be ignorant, READER: how that all our fathers were DR. KINLEY: how that all our fathers was under the cloud, READER: and all passed through the sea; DR. KINLEY: and all passed through the sea; READER: And were all baptized unto Moses DR. KINLEY: And were baptized unto Moses READER: in the cloud and in the sea; DR. KINLEY: in the cloud and in the sea; READER: and did all eat the same spiritual food; DR. KINLEY: and did all eat the same spiritual food; READER: And did all drink the same spiritual drink: DR. KINLEY: And did all drink the same spiritual drink: READER: for they drank of that spiritual Rock DR. KINLEY: for they drank of that spiritual Rock READER: that went with them: DR. KINLEY: No hold it! No! No! No! They drank of that spiritual rock, that what? READER: that went with them: DR. KINLEY: That followed. STUDENT BODY: No DR. KINLEY: That's what you got in your King James Version. Read that, read that same verse out of the King James Version. READER: and did all drink that same spiritual drink: for they drank of that spiritual rock that followed them:
DR. KINLEY: That, that, now they got, see how bad that is. When you don't know nothing about the purpose you can't pick up mistranslations and things of that kind, cause you don't know the purpose. Now what would Yahshua the Messiah, whom they call Jesus Christ, what would He look like following somebody around? That's what it said. And they say that's... Read it David.
READER: And did all drink the same spiritual drink: for they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them: and that Rock was Christ.
DR. KINLEY: No, Peter. READER: Christ.
DR. KINLEY: Oh man. Now the book does say, if you think it don't I'll read it. Paul said another foundation can no man lay, than that which is already laid. And what was the, who was the foundation?
STUDENT BODY: Yahshua the Messiah. DR. KINLEY: Is that in the book? STUDENT BODY: Yes it is. Right.
DR. KINLEY: Anybody don't think it's in there or think it's necessary for me to read it, I'll take the time to read it to you, put up your hand. Now you see what the rock was. Now go back to.., get father which is in heaven.
READER: Matthew 16:17 and 18. And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will
DR. KINLEY: Now see it don't say upon that rock. It says upon this rock. What rock? He's the rock. Who? He who? Yahshua the Messiah, not Peter. Now you see that now, that's just simple and plain enough for anybody, for anybody to see. Is that right? Now you don't have no excuses. And look the Roman Catholic Bible reads that way, and we got four or five of 'em. Good ones.
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DR. KINLEY: Now what I'm really talking about, I'm trying to tell you how you been deceived all of your life, and gullible, running round with a, a prayer book, that ain't no good either. I'm telling you brother, it, it, it, it's awful bad. Now I'm gonna get around to bringing out the subject that I'm trying to tell you about quickly. But that rock, upon this rock, not that rock, Peter, but upon this rock I'll build My church. Is that right? And.., now wait a minute. Now what is the church? Congregation or assembly. That's right.
Now you see why they can't move Peter and put him in heaven? Cause St. Peter's Basilica is supposed to be built on Him, and he's supposed to be buried right in under that, right in under the altar. And here Pope Paul went to Geneva where the World Council of Churches meets. And they thought that he oughta have something to say. Well he did go pass. And he said that they wasn't quite ready to come into the World Council of Churches. They were Peter's. 'We are Peter's.' Well where is the Messiah's? That's St. Peter's Basilica, now that's plain talk. They said St. Peter's Basilica. Well where, where's Yahshua the Messiah's? Now that's plain enough, now there's just, now there's no, there's no forgiveness for that kinda stupidity. Alright. Would you think so David?
DR. DAVID ROSEN: No I, I wouldn't, I wouldn't think that.
DR. KINLEY: Now then, here's why I brought that up. Now Acts the, which we had there. 17th, verse one. Now this is your church. Now we were talking about St. Peter's Basilica. Now we wanna talk about the Baptists, and the Methodists, and the Presbyterian, and the Unitarian, and the what nots. (LAUGHS) Okay.
READER: Yahweh, 17:24, Yahweh who made the world and all things therein DR. KINLEY: Yahweh who made the world and everything therein READER: seeing that he is ruler of heaven and earth DR. KINLEY: seeing that he is ruler of heaven and earth. Course a lotta folks haven't seen that. Alright, read on. READER: he dwelleth not in temples made with hands
DR. KINLEY: Now He is not in that building you got down there on the corner that you call the church. He does not dwell in buildings made by lands. Then if He doesn't dwell in buildings made by hands then what, where, where does He dwell? Now then you pick'd up a whole lot of folks on this one. Jehovah's Witnesses said the spirit of God or the spirit of Jehovah is not in any man, but it's a vital force upon him. Now if He don't dwell in the building and He ain't dwelling in any man, then where is He? Do you see? I Corinthians 6:19 and 20.
READER: What? DR. KINLEY: But let's hold it. WHAT? That's an interrogation or an interrogative statement. WHAT? READER: know ye not DR. KINLEY: Don't you know, that's what we're putting on our father's sophisticated ignorance, don't you know that? Read on. READER: Know ye, know ye not that your body DR. KINLEY: Don't you know that your body READER: is the temple of the Holy Spirit DR. KINLEY: is the temple of the Holy Spirit READER: which is in you,
DR. KINLEY: Hold it! Not St. Peter's Basilica, not that church down on the corner. Now you're gonna have to buy it, now that's all there is to it. But your body is the temple. He don't dwell in temples made by hands. Was your body made by hands?
STUDENT BODY: No. DR. KINLEY: Know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Spirit. Read on. READER: Which is in you,
DR. KINLEY: Now what is, no, its not in nobody, Jehovah's Witnesses saying. How in the world is people gonna lay a Bible wide open like that and look right in it, and then stand right up and say the Holy Spirit is not in any man. How in the world they gonna read Acts 2:4 and 6, and down through there. On the Day of Pentecost they were sitting there in the upper room, and suddenly the Holy Spirit was poured out and the cloven tongues of fire set, set upon each one of them. Is that right?
STUDENT BODY: Right. DR. KINLEY: And the room at which they were sitting was filled. Is that right? And they were all a vital force upon them. STUDENT BODY: No!
DR. KINLEY: Alright, is that what it is? Don't you see people. It, it, it, it's awful bad. You've been just so badly deceived. You'd be surprised to learn how stupid and ignorant that our pastors, our leaders, have been. Just don't know nothing. Your body is the temple of the Holy Spirit. Read.
READER: Which is in you, DR. KINLEY: Which is in you, READER: Which ye have of Elohim, DR. KINLEY: Now which you have of Elohim or of God as it would be said. Read. READER: and ye are not your own?
DR. KINLEY: Now look, and ye are not your own. You don't have no body, we just called it our body. You are not your own. You understand? You have your body of Him and you are not your own. Now if it belongs to Him, and it's His temple, now wouldn't He have a right to dwell in it? Read on.
READER: for ye are bought with a price: DR. KINLEY: you are bought with a price: READER: therefore glorify Yahweh in DR. KINLEY: therefore glorify Yahweh READER: in your body, DR. KINLEY: in your body, READER: and in your spirit, DR. KINLEY: and in your spirit, READER: which are his.
DR. KINLEY: which are his. How about that? Now that's a long way from St. Peter's Basilica. That's a long way from that building you got setting down there on the corner. You see that? Is that right?
Now look. I have to tell you about this, I'll tell you real quick. Now this is the temple here. This is the tabernacle, this is the tabernacle. Now in Leviticus 16:2, I ain't gonna take up the time to have you read it, Yahweh said that He would dwell between the wings of the cherubims in the Most Holy Place, that He would appear there. Is that right? And when the high priest went in there and threw that blood towards the mercy seat on this Ark of the Covenant, these two cherubims of glory and this cloud up here, why then He appeared sitting there on the mercy seat to the high priest.
And this tabernacle is the symbolical of your earthly body. And the temple.., now this, this, this tabernacle was.., you could move it around from place to place. They, they, they brought it up out of Egypt, they really brought the material out of Egypt that this is made out of and builded it out here in the wilderness. And they moved it around, followed the cloud around, and finally by and by at the end of 40 years, they could cross through the River Jordan and went into Canaan Land. And after a duration of time, they placed the tabernacle on Mount Moriah, on Mount Sion. Is that almost right? Then when it was.., they builded the temple.., now this is, this is a figure of an earth house. They builded the temple and then they dismantled this and moved it into.., dismantled the tabernacle and moved it into the temple. Now here's what you got there. Now you wouldn't see this in 10 million years unless Yahweh sent somebody along to point it out to you. Somebody said, 'well look here, the temple was before the tabernacle.' Oh no, you're wrong about that. That's what they say.
MAN: The tabernacle was before the temple.
DR. KINLEY: The tabernacle was before the temple, that's what they say, the tabernacle was before the temple. That's in chronological order. They assume that, they assume. That's an assumed chronological order. That's not the way it is though. Now here, let me show you what I'm talking about. See now, Yahweh as pure spirit.., that that's what you see has already been builded. In this state or condition, He was inconceivable, incomprehensible, just concealed. So, now, He's composed of these attributes. Now we got 9 attributes, such as wisdom and knowledge, and intelligence and so forth and so on. Now then, these come.., this is inorganic this way, but when they were organized, then they're moved into this shape and form, the shape and the form of a man. Adam was made in the likeness and image of this incorporeal, this is not a physical, this is a spiritual form.
Now then, that's what we're talking about, the body, the temple that was in heaven. So now then, this pattern, this is the breakdown, this tabernacle is the breakdown of this body. Got a Most Holy Place, a Holy Place, and a, and a Court Around About. You got a head cavity, chest cavity, and abdominal cavity. In other words it's 1, 2...
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DR. KINLEY: Mt. of Elohim, or as you would say the mount of God. Right? STUDENT BODY: Right.
DR. KINLEY: But he didn't, he didn't ascend to this mountain. Talking about____ ____ ____ ____ ____ ____ ____. He ascended from the Mt. of Olives, about a Sabbath day's journey. And He was up above them. Is that right? He ascended. Now Dr. Harris and, and Dr. Wilbur, Wilbur Traynum and somebody, somebody else.
MAN: Burbank Mitchell
DR. KINLEY: Dr. Burbank Mitchell. They stood on the Mount of Olives with me. And we imitated this figure. Is that right Dr. Harris? He was right there. He took the picture. Is that right, ____ ____ ____. You were there. This is the Mount of Olives ____ ____ ____ ____ and these two men stood by. Now read that in Acts of Apostles there. 1st chapter.
READER: And while, the 10th verse, and while they looked steadfastly toward heaven as he went up, behold two men stood by them in white apparel.
DR. KINLEY: I want the Mt. of Olives, please. 12th verse. READER: The returned they unto Jerusalem from the mount called Olive, which is from Jerusalem a Sabbath day's journey.
DR. KINLEY: ____ ____ ____ ____ ____ ____. He ascended from the Mount of Olives, that's what I'm trying to, trying to get across. I want to show you that He ascended from the Mount of Olives, and this picture was right. Now here's why these two men stood by, two men, and what'd you say, a cloud received them out of their sight?
READER: That's right. DR. KINLEY: Is that right? STUDENT BODY: Right.
DR. KINLEY: Is that what you got in the Book. Now you see, folks listen, everybody pay attention. The reason why we know what we're talking about down here in this school, we know how to put these things together. We know how to prove the divine authenticity, the unerring accuracy, the absolute infallibility of the scriptures. Now I've said a mouthful there. The correlations, we know about the metaphors and the allegories, isn't that right? And these people just mess it all up bad. Now here's, here's a mountain as far as the Mount of Olives, which is about a Sabbath day's journey. And He ascended from that Mount of Olives, this cloud received Him out of their sight. Is that what it says there.
Now why did He go to the Mount of Olives? This was the highest mountain in that area. Now, pay attention now. Now the Mount of Olives correlates with the Garden of Eden. And the tree of knowledge of good and evil was not a apple tree, it was a olive tree. And Yahweh told Adam not to eat or to touch that tree, that O Live tree. I'm trying to break it down so you can see what I'm talking about. And the day that he ate or touched that tree, the fruit of that tree, he would surely die, that is to mean he wouldn't live. Now Yahshua the Messiah has died, resurrected from the dead, never gonna die no more, he paid the penalty to.., for our redemption back to Yahweh. Now He's never gonna die no more so it's a.., He had to go out to the Mount, the highest elevated mountain that there was, and He's gonna be O living forever!
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DR. KINLEY: He ain't gonna be buried? How about that? Now more ____ I told you.
Now you see why He went out there? Somebody said, 'well, how does that, where's that at in the Bible?' We know where everything's at. Now if you got down there, you would have, have to stand your lesson, the 8th chapter of Romans and you read right on over it and never paid no attention to it. Talk's about the Gentiles uncultivated olive trees, but the Jews, they were cultivated. 'Cultivated, what do you mean?' They had the types and the shadows and all to bring them up to Yahshua the Messiah, so they were cultivated; in other words, they were educated in the types and the shadows to bring them up to the reality of it, or to the spirit. You follow what I mean? And then they were, listen now, 8th chapter of Romans, maybe you better read it. Somebody might think I'm quoting something wrong because they didn't know they always thought it was an apple tree back there cause Adam's apple got lodged in the throat. Read 25 and 26.
READER: Romans 11:17 DR. KINLEY: Oh, we're in Romans 11:17. 11th chapter. READER: and if some of the branches be broken off
DR. KINLEY: and if some of the branches be broken off. Now you see what you do there? You make me have to go back over there in the 15th chapter of Saint John. I am the true vine you are the branches, every branch that don't bear fruit, the Father takes it away. Is that right? 15th chapter. And Paul was saying here, now what if some of the branches were broken off? And then, then the Gentiles, they were grafted in. Then they would say that they was broken off so that they could be grafted in. And look here folks, while we're talking about that, get that, get that verse and read it. I want, just want to show you something. I wanna show you how stupid you been all your life.
READER: Saint John 15:1 DR. KINLEY: No, no. I just quoted that, I ain't got time to work with that. READER: and if some of the branches be broken off DR. KINLEY: Now if some of the branches be broken off READER: thou, being a wild olive tree,
DR. KINLEY: You being a wild or uncultivated tree, you wasn't given the types and the shadows and the law and the covenant, so you were wild, worshipping idols, and then ____ ____ ____ ____. Read on.
READER: wert grafted in among them DR. KINLEY: Now you were grafted in. Now wait a minute. Do you make a graft down in the roots?
STUDENT BODY: No. DR. KINLEY: Try reading that again READER: and if some of the branches are
DR. KINLEY: Now what, did you see it said branches. Now in the 15th chapter it says branches, of John, says branches. Well why would you let your Baptist preacher or, or the rest of these preachers stand up and tell you that you got to be planted? How about that? Don't you know the difference between a graft and a plant? You see it now? Now they, they were grafted among the branches, please not the roots. 6th chapter of Romans. Now we're, we're coming back to that. We're coming back to it.
READER: 6th chapter of Romans. What shall we say then?
DR. KINLEY: Now what'll we say then? Somebody said, 'well, what, what are you talking about?' Now here's where they apply that. Now here were Baptists, we all been baptized into Jesus Christ. Now what shall we say then? ____ ____ ____. We're Roman Catholics, we been baptized...
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READER: Shall we continue in sin? DR. KINLEY: Now then they'll say to you, Say, 'the book says, shall we continue in sin?' READER: that grace may abound? DR. KINLEY: that grace may abound. That's unmerited, didn't earn it at all, that grace may abound. Read. READER: Elohim forbid. DR. KINLEY: Yahweh forbid. READER: How shall we that are dead to sin DR. KINLEY: Now wait a minute now! Now I wanna know this. How shall we that are dead READER: to sin, DR. KINLEY: to sin, READER: live any longer therein?
DR. KINLEY: live any longer therein. Then what are you doing running backwards and forwards to the confession? Did you ever see a dead man get up and go confess something that he done something? I'm just, now I'm just showing you how stupid and silly we been. How shall we that are dead to sin, live any longer therein. Don't you know. Read.
READER: Know ye not, that so many of us DR. KINLEY: Don't you know that so many and us Baptists STUDENT BODY: No. DR. KINLEY: Methodists. STUDENT BODY: No! DR. KINLEY: Roman Catholics. STUDENT BODY: No. DR. KINLEY: Oh, well. Jews then, will you buy that? STUDENT BODY: Yes. DR. KINLEY: Okay, Jews. READER: Know ye not,
DR. KINLEY: Now wait a minute. Let's see where it is. I'll baptize them, yes, John baptized them, didn't baptize no Gentiles. Why was that then? Cause He's fulfilling, there wasn't nobody but Jews that come out here and was baptized in the, in the Red Sea. And you read that tonight in the 10th chapter of 1st Corinthians. Then John therefore couldn't baptize no Gentiles; in other words, he couldn't plant no Gentiles. Why did your Baptist preacher, those Roman Catholics, they'd even go so far as, as get infants. And here that baby just come out of the womb. An infant, just come out of, come out of a bag of water in the womb, just like Adam. The earth was covered over with water. 3rd day waters was moved off of the face of the earth, and on the 6th day Yahweh picked, took that man out of the bowels and womb of mother earth. How about that? You have to know how to make them correlations and go from one place to the other. Know ye not that so many of us, the Jews,
READER: as were baptized unto Yahshua the Messiah DR. KINLEY: that were baptized unto Yahshua the Messiah READER: were baptized into his death?
DR. KINLEY: Now wait just a minute. Wait just a minute. They were baptized into His death. Therefore they had to be baptized before He died in order to be baptized into His death. He's not dead now, all you folks that think He's dead. You're a good Baptist, got news for you, He's not dead, He resurrected from the dead. Absolutely impossible for you to baptize anybody into his death. Why? Because, cause He's not dead. That's why John had to baptize 'em before He died in order to baptize 'em into His death, and he didn't baptize nobody but the Jews into His death. For as many os us, the Jews, that were baptized into Yahshua the Messiah, was baptized into His death. Alright, read on.
READER: therefore we are DR. KINLEY: therefore, that reading, therefore we are buried READER: with him by baptism DR. KINLEY: Says the Jews was buried with Him by the, that's a plant, that's a burial, not a graft, buried with Him. READER: by baptism into his death DR. KINLEY: by baptism into his death READER: that DR. KINLEY: What's that all about? Read. READER: That like as Yahshua was raised up from the dead DR. KINLEY: like as Yahshua was raised up from the dead READER: By the glory of the Father DR. KINLEY: by the glory of the Father READER: Even so we also should walk in the newness of life DR. KINLEY: Even so we also should walk in the newness of life READER: for if we have been planted
DR. KINLEY: Hold it! The Jew was planted, you were grafted. Don't argue with me, I know what I'm talking about. See what I mean? How 'bout that? I want to let you know this too. There was a whole lotta Jews that went to John's baptism, and John looked at 'em and he said this, Pharisees and the scribes, said, 'What did you come out here in the wilderness for? You come out here to see the wind blow the weeds around, or weeds taken by the wind?' Is that right? Oh I'm telling you. 'Who warned you to flee from the wrath to come?' That's what he said. 'Come out here to see the wind blow the weeds around.' Just a daisy. Now it say that, know ye not that many of us that was planted or buried.
READER: For if we had been planted together in the DR. KINLEY: Now been planted READER: together in the likeness of his death DR. KINLEY: In the likeness now, in the likeness of His death before He died. Read on. READER: we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection DR. KINLEY: We shall also be in the likeness of His resurrection. Read. READER: Knowing this, DR. KINLEY: Knowing this, READER: that our DR. KINLEY: No speculation with it, and guessing about it. READER: Knowing this that our old man is crucified with him
DR. KINLEY: Now, now wait just a minute doc. Now a whole lot of us folks been baptized ____ full of the devil (LAUGHS) you know that. Now let's be honest about it, That's what's got you running backward and forwards to the confession, just as full of the devil as you can be, and you know it. Ain't that right. ____ ____ ____ crucified with Him. That's what He was manifested for was to make an end of sin, to do away with sin. Alright, read.
READER: Knowing this that our old man DR. KINLEY: Knowing that our old man READER: is crucified with him DR. KINLEY: crucified with him READER: that the body of sin might be destroyed DR. KINLEY: That the body of sin might be destroyed, disintegrated. Alright, read. READER: that henceforth we should not serve sin DR. KINLEY: Now from now on the Jews he's talking about, from there on, what? READER: we should not serve sin. DR. KINLEY: Now we should not serve sin. READER: For he that is dead is free from sin.
DR. KINLEY: For he that.., you don't sin when you laying out there dead. Every morning you get up, ____ ____. That's what Paul said. That's what Paul said, he had to kill hisself, he died daily, he had to crucify the old man, had to crucify Paul. Don't let him get out, don't let him get his feet out on the floor ____ ____, just kill him, kill him certain, if you don't he's gonna get you in trouble. Read on.
READER: 8th verse. Now if we be dead with the Messiah, DR. KINLEY: Now if we be dead with the Messiah, READER: we believe that we shall also live with him: DR. KINLEY: We believe that we shall also live with him: READER: Knowing that Yahshua DR. KINLEY: Knowing that Yahshua READER: being raised from the dead
DR. KINLEY: We, we ain't talking about baptizing nobody into His death. We know he's been resurr... We know that, He's raised from the dead.
READER: died no more; DR. KINLEY: Died, He ain't gonna die no more. READER: Death has no more dominion over him. DR. KINLEY: Death has no more dominion over Him READER: For in that he died DR. KINLEY: in that he died once READER: he died unto sin once but in that he liveth, he liveth unto Elohim DR. KINLEY: There, He liveth unto Elohim. Read the 11th verse. READER: Likewise
DR. KINLEY: No wait. Hold it! Hold it! Hold on. Hold it. Hold it now. Romans are gentiles. Now he got likewise here. Look at that. Likewise, what?
READER: reckon ye also yourselves
DR. KINLEY: No, go and get baptized ____ ____ ____ baptism. No you don't, you just reckon, reckon yourselves. Don't go do it, but just reckon yourselves. Abraham accounted, or He reckoned, that He's mine and Yahweh told him to offer up Isaac, he do that? Somebody said, 'well he didn't, he didn't kill him.' Yes he did. He put him to death and reckoned in his mind that Yahweh was able to raise him from the dead, that his seed might continue on. That's what the book says. So you don't go jump in no water, you just reckon, reckon yourselves to be dead.
READER: Indeed unto sin DR. KINLEY: unto sin READER: but live unto Elohim DR. KINLEY: but live READER: through Yahshua the Messiah our savior DR. KINLEY: that through Yahshua, or live unto Yahshua our Savior. READER: Let not sin therefore reign in your mortal members
DR. KINLEY: No, no, no you just, you're full of sin. People have just messed this Bible up so badly. They say everything you do is a sin, chewing tobacco is a sin, eating pork is a sin, smoking cigarettes is a sin, just breathing is a sin. Everything you do is a sin. The devil got you all burdened down with all this junk and stuff, make a sinner out of you just every kinda way. Got you running around trying to wash away your sins in water out there. Know good and well that you can go take a bar of soap and get in some water, and you won't hardly get yourself good and clean with that, you might have to use a little deodorant after you come out of that. Water just don't wash away sin, that's what I'm talking about.
STUDENT BODY: Right.
DR. KINLEY: Now go back to the 8th chapter of Romans. The 11th, that's what I said, the 11th verse. Reckon yourself to be dead but alive.
READER: Boast not against the branches DR. KINLEY: Now just, know ye not about these branches was broken off. Read, read that about the branches being broken off. READER: and if some of the branches be broken off, and thou, being a wild olive tree.
DR. KINLEY: Now that's why I tried to show you. Now the Gentiles were a wild olive tree, they were uncultivated, meaning that they never had the law in first place. Ain't nobody said nothing to you about eating no Lord's Supper. It ain't in no almanac to say nothing about being it in the Bible. You can't find one verse from Genesis to Revelations in there, where the Lord, God, Jesus Christ, Yahweh, Elohim, or Yahshua ever said anything in the history of the world about a gentile getting baptized in physical water. If you think it's in the Bible, read it to me tonight, I never read it. Go ahead and read it you good, you good Bible students, been runnin' around in these churches out there all your life. Read to me where he ever given any carnal ordinances at all. Water baptism is a carnal ordinance. Circumcision is a carnal ordinance, Lord's Supper or feast of the Passover is a carnal ordinance. There ain't nothing in the Bible about you eating none. How about that? Now wouldn't that shake you up? I told you you to expect to learn something when you come down here. Now all of you put together as many people as there is in this building here, they got reference Bibles and first one thing then the other, they oughta be able to read me at least one verse.
DR. KINLEY: The bell's rung. Ain't nobody never read nothing like that in no Bible.
Now here's what I wanna show you. Now you was grafted in as Gentiles. You were.., the branches were bro.., the branches, not the roots, were broken off, and then the Gentiles were grafted in where they were broken off. Now, I told you that some of 'em that went to John's baptism they, they went on out there and John asked 'em about what they came out there for. And they rejected John's baptism, the Jews I'm talking about, they wouldn't be baptized. Now if they refused, and.., to be baptized before He died. Now listen at what I'm gonna say? It was too late for them to ever be baptized. Now I have to prove that. It's too late for anyone else to be baptized. The Jews I said. Read.
READER: Boast not against the branches DR. KINLEY: Boast not against the branches READER: But if thou boast, thou bearest not the root, DR. KINLEY: Thou bearest not the root. READER: but the root thee. DR. KINLEY: But the root beareth thee. READER: Thou wilt say then, DR. KINLEY: Thou wilt say then, READER: The branches were broken off DR. KINLEY: The branches were broken off READER: that I might be grafted in DR. KINLEY: that I might be grafted in. Now that's what I been telling you, and that's a olive tree. Alright, read on. READER: Well; because of unbelief
DR. KINLEY: Well; because of unbelief. That's how they were, they didn't believe that Yahshua the Messiah was the Savior. They didn't believe that He was the one that was to come. And if they had believed it, they would not have crucified Him. You follow what I mean? They questioned His authority. And now, well; because of unbelief
READER: they were broken off DR. KINLEY: they were broken off READER: and thou standeth by faith DR. KINLEY: Uh, oh. No, now wait a minute. You're planted in the baptism. STUDENT BODY: No DR. KINLEY: Thou standeth by faith. Read. READER: Be not high-minded.
DR. KINLEY: Now don't be high-minded like that pope over yonder, and not your pastor over there, high-minded, can't nobody tell him nothing. He thinks he's all smartened up and he don't know straight up. And you just know water baptism was right. How do you know it's right? 'Oh, they been doing that for so long, I just know that's right. Lord's Supper, we've been having them ever since.., and we just know that's right, there ain't no need of looking in the Bible, we know that's right. Footwashing? Yeah, that's right. We know that's right. 'And now not a one of them carnal ordinances, Yahweh, in no history of the world ever given a Gentile and your Bible don't say that. That is not in the Bible. Now that's bad, wouldn't you say? Alright, read. Read on Dr. Harris.
READER: Be not high-minded, but fear. DR. KINLEY: Be not high-minded. But fear. Read. READER: For if Yahweh spared not the natural branches DR. KINLEY: Now if Yahweh didn't spare the Jews, the natural branches. He didn't spare 'em. Alright, broke 'em on off. READER: take heed, lest he also spare not thee DR. KINLEY: Take heed, lest he also spare not thee. Now pay attention folks. Read on. READER: behold therefore DR. KINLEY: Behold therefore READER: the goodness DR. KINLEY: the goodness of Yahweh READER: and severity DR. KINLEY: And the severity of Yahweh. READER: on them which fell DR. KINLEY: on them which fell severity. READER: but toward thee DR. KINLEY: but toward thee READER: goodness DR. KINLEY: Goodness. READER: if thou continue in his goodness DR. KINLEY: If you continue in His goodness. Alright, read on. READER: otherwise thou also shall be cut off
DR. KINLEY: Also the Gentiles that was, that was grafted in. He'll break you off too. How about that? Don't be blowing and boasting around here about we're the first church, Roman Catholic Church. Church of Christ, we advocate high-minded, the pope is the ruler of the world. All along like that jive and stuff. Yahweh break you off. Alright, read on.
READER: and they also
DR. KINLEY: And they also. Now watch this one. I told you it was too late for the Jews to get baptized, them that rejected it. After he resurrected from the dead, that, that's too late. Alright, read.
READER: and they also DR. KINLEY: and they also READER: and they abide not still in unbelief DR. KINLEY: Now if they didn't continue in unbelief READER: shall be grafted in
DR. KINLEY: No, Doc, planted! Can't you read? You see that now? You'd be surprised how stupid we've been all of our lives. If they was broken off, them branches, that the Gentiles grafted in instead. And the reason why they was broken off was because of unbelief. Now, now not the roots, but out of the branches. Now then there it's too late for him. But if he don't continue ____ in unbelief, then Yahweh will graft him in back among the branches, won't plant him now, too late. Graft him in again. How's that? Grafted in. In other words, folks, let's look at it like this...
DR. KINLEY: The bell. The tree is planted and its grown up, it's bearing fruit. If they, see no planting there, you just gather the fruit. You don't plant it, you just go ahead... That's right. See that? Oh I hope you got something out of it. I didn't get to the place I wanted to.