Carnal Ordinances: Challenged by Visiting Minister
A lecture given by Dr. Kinley on July 24, 1975 in Springfield, Ohio.
TRANSCRIBED BY BEVERLY ALLEN
DR. KINLEY: Now if you can't hear me in the back then you raise your hand. First I wanna tell you that this is a special meeting. If you've come here to learn, this is a special one. We want you to interrogate, question, that's why this is special here. We wanna introduce you to everything to what we teach in this school. And I want to say too, so that you don't think that we're just a bunch of people that doesn't have no knowledge of the world, we have lawyers and doctors, medical doctors, and doctors of philosophy, and we have the most brilliant and academically trained philosophical scientific minded people in the world right in this school. They have examined it entirely. They have examined it backwards and forwards, and they say that it is correct, it is right. And that's what we want you to do. We want you to examine what we say, not take it for granted because you have to know something now, not go along and guess about it.
Now I'm going to point out some things to you that probably would surprise you, which you probably hadn't never thought of in your life time, never seen, and that is some of the things that people teach all over the world. Christendom, the many factions of it there are they teach it; they differ. For example, they'll say "Well I found this out from the Hebrews." Said, it started with the Christians. Now the Jew, Orthodox Jews, they don't know what it's all about; they don't understand it; they rejected the Messiah as a whole. Then Roman Catholicism, another great big organization, they don't know what it is all about; they're unable to prove it. They can't tell you anything concrete. They set up debates and arguments, and when you get through with it you're right back where you started from. Protestantism is the same. It's bad, but nevertheless it's true. But now in this school, I wanna tell you that I had a vision and revelation from Yahweh Himself in the year nineteen hundred and thirty-one (1931). And I have begged you, begged people all over the world... And I have been primarily all over the world. Preached this same gospel all over the world even in the Vatican. And all that they could do was just stay put, it was nothing else they could say. We've been down into Egypt, we preached down there. They asked us questions specifically, and I'd like to mention one: "If we go to war with Israel will we win?" Dr. Harris, the dean, was sitting right next to me, I punched him in the side and I said, “I'll take that one.” And I answered the question, "No, you won't win." So then I told him that we were going to tell Israel that too. And we were also going to Jordan and we were going to tell them the same thing. Now I ask you, did they win?
STUDENT BODY: No.
DR. KINLEY: I said that to say this: For many, many years, for 44 years to be most exact, I been telling people all over the world just what was going to happen, which means that Yahweh revealed to me His purpose and plan. And I do know what I'm talking about.
Dr. Gross, would you mind standing up please? This is your president, Dr. Carl F. Gross; he's been with me 43 years. We communicated with Kings and Queens, and the finest educated people there is in the world. And many things I have told him would come to pass, have come to pass. Is that right?
DR. GROSS: That's right
DR. KINLEY: And when you find us in error of our teaching, right there is where we quit; we won't have no more school. So now I want you to understand that we're not down here to play. We didn't come to have no fun. We didn't come to debate and argue with you about things, we come to tell you the truth. If you don't understand why then it's your privilege to ask questions, and it's our prerogative to answer for you.
Now, here is some of the things that will surprise you. First place, Lord, God, and Jesus Christ they are erroneous names. That is not the correct names of our Heavenly Father. Lord is a title; it is definitely not a name. God is a title; it's definitely not a name. Jesus Christ is a name, but that is the incorrect name - now that's true. Now we have with us a Jew that's born in Tel Avi Israel, can speak and read Hebrew. And we have a copy of the Masoretic text of the Bible, which is one of the oldest text there is. And while I'm on that, I'd like to tell you that down in Egypt they have a synagogue called the Apostolic Church, and it is there in Hebrew. And they have the scrolls upon the wall in that synagogue, and the name, Yahweh is written all over those scrolls. The name Yahshua is written over the scrolls. The name Elohim is written over those scrolls. That is the only synagogue that there is in Cairo Egypt.
Now, Dr. David Rosen would you please stand? And would you go to the board and put the Tetragrammaton and Hebrew names... Write it in Hebrew please. Now what does that spell?
DAVID: Yahweh DR. KINLEY: What does this word mean? DAVID: This is the Tetragrammaton or the name Yahweh in Hebrew. uh. . . DR. KINLEY: Can you all hear? MAN: Go 'head doc, I hear you.
David: Okay. This one here is equal to the English Y. This one here is the English H, this one here the English W, this one here the English H again. ---- ----, or in English Y H W H.
DR. KINLEY: Now folks, that has been in the Masoretic text all through the centuries and through the years. The Jews... There's not a Rabbi on the face of the earth that don't know that that is the true name of our Heavenly Father, and His Son. And Elohim is not a name; it is a title not a name. That's the title of our Heavenly Father in incorporeal shape and form. Now what we mean by incorporeal is this, that He's taken on... We've always characterized Him as pure spirit. See that's Pure Spirit there. Now in that condition He's inscrutable, indiscernible, incomprehensible. You can't tell a thing about Him, so He had to do something about it. So He taken on those attributes assembled into a spiritual or incorporeal embodiment. And in that shape, and that form He's called Elohim. That is the title for the Father in shape and form. That's spirit, you can't see it with your physical eye so it'll have to be seen in visions and revelations. Now then this pure spirit, (I'll reach over him), this pure spirit came on down from incorporealization and took upon, uh, down into a physical embodiment. That is Yahshua. That is the law, Yah - ho- shua. It means Yah is salvation. Now that's what's in your Masoretic text. That's what all of the Jews everywhere know, know it on earth. And for us to use the name or the titles Lord, God, Jesus Christ, it's nothing else (I hate to say this but it's the truth) it's nothing else but sophisticated idolatry. Now that's what it is. Ain't no need to argue about it, that's what it is. But as long as you don't know no better, Yahweh knows that you don't know no better, and He being a just judge would judge you justly. But when you find out, right there is where you must start to being corrected.
Now let's look back over here in Matthew 24:14&15; I want you to pay strict attention to it. Now or text is "WHERE IS THE WISE, WHERE IS THE SCRIBE, WHERE IS THE DISPUTER OF THIS WORLD? HATH NOT GOD MADE OR YAHWEH ELOHIM MADE FOOLISH THE WISDOM OF MAN?" Now if I would say that, then we go around and take up a collection of all those evangelizing all over the world. You'll find that all these secular denominations, they have a set form, they would be the wise. Now a scribe, a scribe is a copyist. Now what I mean by a copyist, they didn't have transcripts in those days back there. So then what they did, they took and copied them. And the scribe he wrote down, he copied from the original. And he put down, a lot of times, what he thought, and what's meant by this, that, and the other. And the consequences were, you have interpolations and mistranslations in your Bible, of which I intend to prove to you before I get down.
Now first the question, and I wanna answer it. Where is the wise? And I want the wise here to answer this question, the smart boys. And we're hoping that you have a concordance. You should always come to school prepared, so if you don't remember chapters and verses we have the time to look it up in the concordance. Now this is what I want you to tell me, I want you to tell me where you find it at in your Bible, and I don't care where you read, it doesn't make me any difference. I know there's dispensations and ages, but I want you to tell me where you find it at in the King James Version, or the Holy Name Version, or the Vulgate, the Roman Catholic, or just any version of the Bible you have. I want you to tell me where Yahweh, Elohim, and Yahshua, Lord, God, Jesus Christ, Jehovah, Adonai or Allah, I think I just about got it all, ever said anything from back to back, from Genesis to Revelations to anybody about a Gentile getting baptized in physical water as an ordinance. I want it read and read right now. Now I'm asking this to the wise and smart boys. Now you see there, I don't see nobody standing up. You think it's somebody standing up to answer the question stand up and look. That is not in the Bible. Now you see what that, what that will do for you. Now we have Bishops right down there in Los Angeles in school that use to could read that., but now they can't read it. They say it's not in the Bible too. Now I want you to tell me and show me where it is. The same individual.., no need in me repeating it cause I got to hasten, I got a whole lot of things I wanna get into tonight. Where Yahweh, Elohim, Yahshua, Lord, God or Jesus Christ, Jehovah and Adonai or any of 'em ever said anything in the history of the world, from back to back in your Bible, about eating the feast of the Passover or what you call the Lord's supper. I want it read out of the Bible and read right now, where it ever it says anything in the history of the world about a Gentile eating a Lord supper. If you just imagine it's in there we're here, we've got help. We're trying to help you. We're not trying to criticize anybody's intellectual capacity; that's not what we're here for. We're not trying to make no fool out of nobody we're trying to help! And I haven't forgot either that I told you to read Matthew 24:14&15. I haven't forgot that. But the --- ---- since we're talking about these ordinances. I want you to read to me in your Bible where Yahweh ever said in the history of the world, (I'm talking about anywhere in the Bible) ever impose carnal ordinances... Now a lot of people don't know what a carnal ordinance is. Water baptism is a carnal ordinance; Lord supper is a carnal ordinance; foot washing is a carnal ordinance; circumcision is a carnal ordinance; offering up sacrifices is a carnal ordinance. Now I want you to show me in the Bible... I'll give you another one on top of that one, some more. I want you to show me where the Lord God, or Yahweh, or Elohim, or any of 'em at any place at any time in the history of the world ever said anything to a Gentile about keeping the Sabbath day. I don't care where you read, it don't make me no difference. Don't you see so far, as we have went, you ought to have learned something by this time. Wouldn't you think so? It's just not in the Bible! And all this erroneous doctrine that you have been taught out here is nothing else but foolishness. I asked you to read Matthew 24:14.
READER: You ready? DR. KINLEY: Yes I'm ready. READER: And this gospel of the Kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations. . . DR. KINLEY: And this gospel... Are you reading that out of the King James Version? READER: Right DR. KINLEY: Okay. Read it out of the King James Version. READER: I'm reading out of it, both of 'em... DR. KINLEY: "And this Gospel," now wait a minute, not that gospel, but this gospel of the Kingdom. . . READER: shall be preached in all the world. . . DR. KINLEY: (Repeats) READER: for a witness. . . DR. KINLEY: (Repeats) READER: unto all nations. . . DR. KINLEY: (Repeats) READER: and then shall the end come. . .
DR. KINLEY: and then shall the end come." Now you see what you have there? You have Roman Catholicism, you have Judaism, you have Protestantism, and all of 'em preaching and teaching and practicing carnal ordinances. That is not the Gospel of the Kingdom that Yahshua the Messiah was talking about being preached in all the world. But what we're teaching in this school is the Gospel of the Kingdom! And it is imposed upon these people being taught in this school, to preach the Gospel in all the world for a witness. You don't have to witness unless you want to. But that's what we have to do, and that's what we're gonna do, that's what Yahshua the Messiah said.
Now look folks, we have been pretty much around the world. And the 29th of September they're going to make another trip. And that part of the world, much of it they haven't covered, they will cover. Russia wouldn't let us in. China, communist, wouldn't let us in. Japanese told us "Don't write us we'll write you," wouldn't let us in, both sides. But now look here folks, when Yahshua the Messiah said this Gospel must be preached in all the world He meant Russia and China too! So He tore it up and they said, "Come on in now!" Something happened. He said it would be, and He don't want no more cult and ----. But now we're going in and we're going to preach this Gospel of the Kingdom in all the world to all nations. Now we have sent our book primarily all over the world to every religious and political heads of nations in the world. And everything that we told 'em, and for 44 years, (Dr. Gross knows just about how old this is), see for 44 years I been telling the people, BY THIS BIBLE, what's gonna happen! Now is anybody ever caught me in a lie yet?
DR. KINLEY: I told you when President Roosevelt would run his last time, that he'd be nominated, he'll be elected, but he wouldn't be in the White House one year from the day of his election. I told you that John F. Kennedy... They said you can't have no Roman Catholic President. Talking about Al Smith running back there, and he couldn't be elected because he was a Roman Catholic. I said John F. Kennedy... But they knew that he was gonna run for future President. I'm telling you about being nominated. I said John F. Kennedy would be nominated, he would be elected and then he'd be assassinated. Now I'm asking you - was he? I didn't ask you what church you belong to I ask you was he assassinated?
DR. KINLEY: Now that's the way we have been doing for years, 44 years, that's the way we been doing. Just like we told them over there in Egypt and Israel, and the Arabs, and they didn't have no respect for us. Brethren I have told you through the years told you many things. I told you all about the First and Second World War, who would go in first and what would happen. Did I Dr. Gross?
DR. GROSS: Yes you did. DR. KINLEY: Did it happen like I said? DR. GROSS: Yes it did.
DR. KINLEY: Now look folks, the reason why I brought all this up is to let you know that it is possible for you to find some definite, something basic, something concrete, something sure, about your heavenly Father. Now it wouldn't be fair on the part of the Great Universal Deity, (this is what I'm saying) to create a creation of angels, and men and their wives, and then hide Himself from them? And then give 'em commandments in order to do certain things, and then they didn't know what He was talking about, didn't understand what He meant by what He said, and then send them to the Lake of Fire. That doesn't make no kind of sense. We don't have no Deity like that. Would you think so?
DR. KINLEY: Then if you notice in your scripture lesson tonight, said there "That all men teach the same thing and be perfectly joined together in the same mind and in the same spirit." Now that's what we have to do. Now, let's take it down one. Now this, we're gone call this one. We're gonna have the moderator stand up and read the first aim.
MODERATOR: To help you find and know Yahweh, our Elohim, as He really is and as He actually exists.
DR. KINLEY: Now listen here, we couldn't help you do that unless we knew; and that would just simply be a matter of absolute impossibility. Now we're here to help you find Him and know. THERE'S NOTHING NO MORE IMPORTANT IN THIS WORLD THAN TO HELP YOU FIND AND KNOW GOD OR YAHWEH THE FATHER. Now we wanna know Him just as He is and just like He actually exist. That's the way we wanna know Him. But notice we've got a mystery. I believe 1st Timothy the first chapter and first verse. And we're not done with these names either. Now hurry up time's passing awfully fast. Whoever finds it read it out loud
READER: 1st Timothy 3:1. This is a true saying. . . DR. KINLEY: Naw, it may be 2nd Timothy 3:1, I believe it is. I want it there where the spirit speaketh expressly. . . huh? MAN: 2nd Timothy. . . DR. KINLEY: 2nd Timothy 3:1, read that please. READER: This know also that in the last days. . .
DR. KINLEY: Now listen, listen folks. Now this know! Now this know also on top of what I've already taught, the Apostle is telling Timothy you know this also. That in the last days. . .
READER: perilous times shall come. . . DR. KINLEY: (Repeats) READER: for men shall be lovers of their own selves. . . DR. KINLEY: The spirit speaketh expressly, that's what I want. READER: 4th chapter, 1 Timothy, first verse. . . DR. KINLEY: 4th chapter the first verse. READER: Now the spirit speaketh expressly. . .
DR. KINLEY: Now wait just a minute. Folks, now when you read these Bibles often time you just read on, don't pay no attention to what you're reading. Now he didn't say anything there teaching. He never said a thing about anybody teaching. I want you to know that. He said the spirit speaketh expressly. Now what is the spirit? Hold your finger on that, 2nd Corinthians the 3rd chapter and the 17th verse, quick.
READER: Now Yahweh is spirit. . .
DR. KINLEY: Now listen here! Now Yahweh is spirit. Now do you see? The spirit speaks expressly that in the latter day -- what?
READER: some shall depart from the faith DR. KINLEY: Now listen, some shall depart from the faith -- read. READER: giving heed to seducing spirits. . .
DR. KINLEY: Now listen, giving heed... This is what happened. That's why you got all these sects and denominations. "Many shall depart from the faith giving heed to seducing spirits!" That's how we got into 'em. And what else?
READER: and doctrine of devils. . .
DR. KINLEY: and doctrines of demons or devils, they're giving heed to 'em. Now look, let me say it right here, cause I don't wanna go to far back in Revelations right now. But listen now folks to what I'm saying I'm trying to talk so you can understand what I'm talking about. The 12th chapter of Revelations tells you that those angels that sinned they were cast out of Heaven - there were many of 'em, a countless number of 'em. Now let me fix that, because there always somebody wanna know how many. Yahweh told Abraham that He would multiply his seed as the stars of heaven and as the sands of the sea. Now when that old dragon was cast out of heaven his tail drew the third part of the stars from heaven, ever how many they were, a third part of them; that oughta be enough to go 'round. I'm talking about them seducing spirits or doctrines of demons. Yes it's plenty of 'em, an innumerable company of 'em. Now that's what you got in the pulpit all over the world, them seducing spirits and doctrines of demons. For example, let me say this over to you. I've already done said it. Anybody that teaches these Gentiles or Jews that in this present dispensation or age, or since the resurrection and the outpouring of the Holy Spirit carnal ordinances is to be observed is a doctrine of a demon. I said Jew or Gentile. That's what it is. Now that's tough. Now you can get all mad, almost makes you wanna crawl under something, but nevertheless that's the truth. Carnal ordinances, 9th Chapter of Hebrews, take it at the 17th verse. Now pay 'tention now.
READER: Which stood only in meats and drinks and various washings. . . DR. KINLEY: Get up there and get the first part of it so we can see what he's talking about. READER: 9:1. Then verily the first covenant had also orders of service... DR. KINLEY: Now listen, the first covenant had also order of - what? READER: service and a worldly sanctuary. . . DR. KINLEY: and a worldly sanctuary READER: for in the first compartment. . . DR. KINLEY: (Repeats) READER: of the tabernacle. . . DR. KINLEY: (Repeats) READER: was the candlestick. . . DR. KINLEY: (Repeats) READER: the table. . . DR. KINLEY: (Repeats) READER: and the shewbread. . . DR. KINLEY: (Repeats) READER: which is called the Holy Place DR. KINLEY: (Repeats) READER: and beyond the veil. . . DR. KINLEY: (Repeats) READER: the second compartment of the tabernacle. . . DR. KINLEY: (Repeats) READER: which is called the Holies of Holies. . . DR. KINLEY: (Repeats) READER: which had the golden censor. . . DR. KINLEY: (Repeats) READER: and the Ark of the Covenant. . . DR. KINLEY: (Repeats) READER: overlaid round about with gold. . . DR. KINLEY: (Repeats) READER: wherein was the golden pot that had manna. . . DR. KINLEY: (Repeats) READER: and Aaron's rod that budded. . . DR. KINLEY: (Repeats) READER: and the tables of the covenant. . . DR. KINLEY: um hum READER: and over it the cherubims of glory shadowing the mercy seat...
DR. KINLEY: That's all right, now jump on down. Now you see what we're talking about. Now all them Jews back there had the tabernacle under the first covenant. Now there were covenants before that, but that was the first covenant with the Jews. There was the Edenic covenant, the Noahic covenant, the Abraham covenant, all of 'em was before He give that to the Israelites given from Mt. Sinai. All right, read.
READER: 9th verse. . . DR. KINLEY: (Repeats) READER: which was a figure for the time then present. . .
DR. KINLEY: Now listen! "Which was a figure!" Now listen now, pay 'tention. I don't want you to skip none, and I don't want you to overlook that I said that this little nucleus of people, it is incumbent upon them to preach the Gospel in all the world to all nations, because we did not practice, and neither should the Jews or the Gentiles, practice carnal ordinances in this dispensation and age. Now that's what I said! And I further stated that this gospel should be preached in all the world and to all nations. Now that means this: Let me personate, cause I have to tell you about 'em. Billy Graham, Rex Humbard, Cathyrn Kulman, Oral Roberts, they have formed a kind of a thing to preach worldwide evangelism, to evangelize the world in other words, which all that is, now He wasn't talking about that; that's all erroneous.
Billy Graham says that he is a Baptist. He really doesn't know what he is. Now why would I say that? He says "That there is a God, but you can't know nothing and pick up on it." Now that is not a Baptist that is an agnostic! He don't even know he's an agnostic! Finish reading the verse. . .
READER: which was a figure for the time then present. . . DR. KINLEY: Now that tabernacle that stood there in the wilderness, it was a figure for the time then present! READER: in which was offered both gifts and sacrifices. . . DR. KINLEY: (Repeats) READER: which could not make him that did the service perfect. . . DR. KINLEY: (Repeats) READER: as pertaining to the conscience. . . DR. KINLEY: (Repeats) READER: which stood only. . . DR. KINLEY: (Repeats) READER: in meat and drink offering. . . DR. KINLEY: Hold it! Which stood only, O N L Y, only! In what? READER: in meat and drink offering. . . DR. KINLEY: (Repeats) READER: and various washings. . . DR. KINLEY: And various washings... Now pay 'tention, pay 'tention! READER: and carnal ordinances. . .
DR. KINLEY: And carnal... I told you water baptism was a carnal ordinance! I told you foot washing was a carnal ordinance, and I told you the Passover supper was a carnal ordinance. Read on.
READER: imposed on them. . .
DR. KINLEY: Imposed on the Jew. Hold it! Naw, we ain't gone have it like that. It was imposed on nobody else but the Jews! Yahweh ain't said nothing to the Gentile about being baptized! He just didn't say it! Now what these people have got you doing, they got you way back in this post diluvian age. Methodist and Baptists and Presbyterians and Unitarians and whatnot, and Roman Catholics and whatnot, got you back in this past age, and call yourself worshipping Yahweh. And it's just as stupid as it can be. Now what Yahweh has to do, has to send you around somebody that knows something to tell you different from that. See now it was imposed on the Jews. Now watch what I'm gonna say now.
READER: until the time. . . DR. KINLEY: (Repeats) READER: of the reformation. . .
DR. KINLEY: of re-for-mation. Now then it's abolished. The Jew ain't suppose to be doing it. He ain't suppose to be eating Lord supper like that! He ain't suppose to be baptized in no physical water! He ain't suppose to touch no carnal ordinance at all, circumcision and all. I did read it out the Bible. Is anybody got anything to say?
MINISTER: I have. DR. KINLEY: Sir? He has a question. See take it on out there so...
MINISTER: Now it appears to me that you have a lot of the truth here. And what you're calling carnal, I think you're making it a spiritual covenant. I think you're making carnal. . .
DR. KINLEY: Speak a little louder so that we can hear you. MINISTER: You're making your carnal, spiritual. First of all Jesus or Yahshua Himself teaches us that we must be born again. DR. KINLEY: Right!
MINISTER: He teaches us according to John 3:3, "Except ye be born again you cannot even see the Kingdom." It also tells us in St. John 3&5, He said, "And except ye be born of the water and of the spirit, YOU CANNOT ENTER THE KINGDOM!" And if it's not that you have to have the Holy Spirit, my question is, what are you doing about that? I mean are we receiving the spirit, or we just learning of that? That's what the crux of my question is, do we receive the Holy Ghost?
DR. KINLEY: Yes, we do.
MINISTER: If we receive the Holy Ghost, if we have then this knowledge, do we believe that when Yahshua came and took Him 11,12 men and taught them the message from Yahweh, do we believe that they told the truth?
DR. KINLEY: We know they did! MINISTER: They didn't say what you're saying then. They said you had to be baptized with Christ! DR. KINLEY: I'm not denying that. MINISTER: All right, then we're together.
DR. KINLEY: No we're not together; we're not together. . . [Missed a Statement because audience was loud] . . . Now you read to me, I asked you a while ago...
MINISTER: But you were talking about being water baptized. . .
DR. KINLEY: Wait, wait just a minute a minute now. Wait just a minute. I said I wanted you to read to me anywhere in your Bible, and I covered the whole entire waterfront, where Yahweh, Elohim and Yahshua, Lord, God or Jesus Christ every said anything, from back to back in your Bible, about a Gentile getting baptized in physical water. I'd like to have it read that.
MINISTER: Now we have the same men that Yahshua declared that they understood the teaching. We have the same men that got it from Him, and He declared to Yahweh that they didn't make a mistake, that they knew what they were doing. They didn't have a... When Yahweh called Peter and sent him down to Cornelius house, Cornelius went down there, and while he spake to them the Holy Spirit fell on them. Then he commanded them, uh, asked the question: "Can any man forbid water, seeing that they have received the Holy Spirit as well as we? For we do hear them speak with tongues, and he commanded them to be baptized. . ."
DR. KINLEY: in water.
MINISTER: In water, the Bible say that. All right, the thought is this: I was talking to somebody later, and they went over a little further in the Bible and seem to expound that Peter made a mistake! When it said that at a certain point, uh, then he remembered. All it's bringing us up to the point that he remembered that God or Yahweh was letting him know that it's now not only to the Jew but to the Greek, or to the Gentile. That's all. The Gospel itself, or the Bible tells us in Galatians 1:8, "If anybody preach any other doctrine other than the doctrine that those men taught then let him be accursed! And if anybody come and bring not the gospel of Jesus Christ, don't let him in your house, don't bid him God speed." [2nd John 10]
DR. KINLEY: Just a moment there. You've never seen one, a Jew or a Gentile in your life, and I'll guarantee you never will see one that has failed to be baptized with physical water. . .
MINISTER: That failed to be baptized? DR. KINLEY: Every last one of 'em was baptized with physical water. . . MINISTER: You don't find one that didn't get baptized? DR. KINLEY: See now, this is what I'm talking about. You don't understand what I'm talking about? MINISTER: Well I'm trying to sir. DR. KINLEY: There's nobody in this place. . . MINISTER: I didn't come to take over your meeting sir.
DR. KINLEY: I... this is what this is all about. I wish the whole world was here, and we invited 'em to do it. Now look, let me show it to you, and let me explain it to you. First of all let's get back to ground zero. I said that it wasn't nobody in this place Jew or Gentile that wasn't baptized in physical water, nobody, nobody in the world.
MAN: I'm not able to see that.
DR. KINLEY: You don't see that. Now here is why. When a child is conceived in it's mother's womb, and formed in it's mother's womb, it's in a bag of water, inundated, baptized in it's mother's womb before it can be born.
MINISTER: ---- ---- ---- (Inaudible)
DR. KINLEY: Now listen, the first Adam, the first man Adam, his physical body was inundated in water, the first Adam. Because Yahweh moved the waters off the face of the earth and let the dry land appear, and took that man and formed him out of the dust of the earth. He was baptized. Is that almost right?
MINISTER: I'm listening.
DR. KINLEY: Okay, we just want to get together on it. Now if that be true, then the second man Adam, which is Yahshua the Messiah, He must be born, or He must be baptized in physical water. He had to be because when He came in the world, (now here's where we get, here's where we get in trouble). When He came in the world He was fulfilling not instituting. Now water baptism was instituted long before ever He was born of the Virgin Mary. Now He comes in to be fulfilling. There were six hundred, three thousand, five hundred and fifty folks, [603,550] not counting the women and children that were baptized in the cloud and in the sea here when they went into the wilderness. And Yahshua the Messiah, whom the folks call Jesus Christ was right along with them. Get that?
MINISTER: That's what you say. DR. KINLEY: Well I'd better fix that first since a lot of folks don't know nothing about that. . . MINISTER: No, that's not what I'm not talking about. . .
DR. KINLEY: Well I'm going to prove to you what I'm talking about. And listen, I have to go on back and get the root of the thing!
MINISTER: Prove it to me then.
DR. KINLEY: All right. Now then when he was, when he was baptizing, wasn't nobody but the Jews. John didn't baptize nobody but the Jews, not one Gentiles. Now your physical water baptism was in His, in that He was baptized in literal water. You want me to read that to you? If you just say, I'll read it to you.
MINISTER: Well, yes. DR. KINLEY: Well you just say, 6th Chapter of Romans. READER: What shall we say then. . . DR. KINLEY: Now this is Jew talking now, what shall we say then? READER: shall we continue in sin that grace may abound. . . DR. KINLEY: (Repeats) READER: by no means. . . DR. KINLEY: (Repeats) READER: how shall we that are dead to sin. . . DR. KINLEY: (Repeats) READER: live any longer therein DR. KINLEY: (Repeats) READER: Know ye not. . . DR. KINLEY: Don't you know? READER: that so many of us as were baptized. . . DR. KINLEY: so many of the Jews that were baptized READER: Into Yahshua the Messiah. . . DR. KINLEY: (Repeats) READER: were baptized into His death
DR. KINLEY: Was baptized into His death. Now listen folks, you can't baptize nobody into His death now. He's not dead. All right, was baptized into His death.
READER: Therefore we are buried with Him... DR. KINLEY: (Repeats) READER: by baptism. . . DR. KINLEY: By baptism, that's in water too! READER: into death DR. KINLEY: (Repeats) READER: that like as the Messiah was raised up from the dead. . . DR. KINLEY: (Repeats) READER: by the glory of the Father. . . DR. KINLEY: (Repeats) READER: even so we also should walk in newness of life. . . DR. KINLEY: (Repeats) READER: for if we have been planted together. . . DR. KINLEY: For if we, the Jews, have been planted together READER: in the likeness of His death. . . DR. KINLEY: (Repeats) READER: we shall also be in the likeness of His resurrection. . . DR. KINLEY: (Repeats) READER: knowing this. . . DR. KINLEY: (Repeats) READER: that our old man. . . DR. KINLEY: (Repeats) READER: is crucified with Him. . . DR. KINLEY: is crucified READER: that the body of sin might be destroyed. . . DR. KINLEY: (Repeats) READER: that henceforth we should not serve sin. . . DR. KINLEY: (Repeats) READER: For he that is dead is freed from sin. . . DR. KINLEY: (Repeats) READER: Now if we be dead with the Messiah, we believe that we shall also live with Him. . . DR. KINLEY: (Repeats) READER: Knowing that the Messiah being raised from the dead DR. KINLEY: (Repeats) READER: dieth no more. . . DR. KINLEY: (Repeats) READER: death hath no more dominion Him. . . DR. KINLEY: (Repeats) READER: for in that He died. . . DR. KINLEY: (Repeats) READER: He died unto sin once. . . DR. KINLEY: (Repeats) READER: but in that He liveth. . . DR. KINLEY: (Repeats) READER: He liveth unto Yahweh. . . DR. KINLEY: (Repeats) READER: Likewise. . . DR. KINLEY: Hold it! Likewise, you go and get baptized, read. READER: Likewise, reckon ye also yourselves. . . DR. KINLEY: talking to the Gentiles now READER: Likewise reckon. . .
DR. KINLEY: You just reckon yourself to be baptized - I mean in physical water! Yahshua the Messiah didn't send 'em out to baptize in physical water, you reckon yourself to be. He didn't say go do it, reckon yourself. Now folks, let's get after it in a figure. When Yahweh promised Abraham that in his seed He would bless all the families of the earth, and he didn't have no carnal ordinances given to him at all. The Jews were only ones that had carnal ordinances. Now as I understand my brother to say, he thinks it seems like that we got carnal ordinances mixed up with something. Now I'd like to know what he was saying was a carnal ordinance. I said water physical water baptism is a carnal ordinance. I say you can't find no scriptures ever... I already done stated, and I ask for it to be read, and I'd like for it to be read too. And I'm not up here just for an argument, or debate. I wanna tell you the thing that Yahweh said about the Gentile not being baptized in physical water. I haven't seen nobody read it, and you have to read something for me. It just ain't there. How is he saved, the Gentile? He's saved by grace through faith. That's how he's saved. Abraham believed God, or believed Yahweh, and it was accounted unto him for righteousness. All the carnal ordinances, (now here comes the work), were given to the Jews, imposed on 'em until the time of reformation, and now they're not suppose to do it. Now here you come along with your second handed junk! I'm reading out of the Bible too. And if water baptism isn't a carnal ordinance, and if we seem to have carnality mixed up spirituality, I'd like for him to explain to me what it is. That's where the problem is. See you go out here and set down out here in these churches, and these preachers tell you about water baptism, and he don't know what a carnal ordinance is. And he's got you diving up and down being baptized in the creeks and all, there's nothing in the Bible about that, no physical water. Why? Cause it's carnal, natural, physical and not spiritual. Now since you mention that one, we know the Jews were baptized in physical water. Is that right? I wanna know!
DR. KINLEY: Be careful, because if you're gonna take one of these you gonna have to take the other ones too. Show me where a Gentiles was at the first Passover; show me in your book where you find it at. We haven't been doing anything else but just preaching imaginations and calling it the doctrine of Jesus, FOR WHICH WE DON’T HAVE NO BIBLE FOR. I told you what a carnal ordinance was. Anybody in the house got a dictionary?
MINISTER: You told me that the law was physical . . . DR. KINLEY: And I told you it was imposed on the Jew. MINISTER: Is there such thing as spiritual law? DR. KINLEY: Yes, sir! MINISTER: Then what is it?
DR. KINLEY: THE LAW OF THE SPIRIT OF LIFE, and listen, let me get this one over to you, THAT EXISTED BEFORE THE LAW CONTAINED IN THE ORDINANCES.
MINISTER: I understand, I understand about a carnal law, and I also understand about the spiritual now here in this age. DR. KINLEY: Yes, in this dispensation.
MINISTER: This is what I'm trying to see. When we get a commandment from Yahweh it is spiritual, it's a --- ----. DR. KINLEY: But you see, you're talking about a carnal ordinance. You are saying. . . MINISTER: No I'm not. . .
DR. KINLEY: Yes, yes you are! What you are saying, you are saying Yahweh! Am I right about it? He's saying that Yahweh... Water baptism is carnal ordinance! It is a physical, it is a natural, it's not a spiritual ordinance! It was imposed on the Jews only! Listen, it was a type and a shadow, and it was only imposed on them until the time of the reformation. But now Yahshua the Messiah come in and fulfilled it and moved it out of the way! Now we gonna read that to you
MINISTER: all right
DR. KINLEY: 10 chapter of Hebrews, we wanna find out about it. First, before you read that, here's another thing we don't know. We don't know what Messiah was doing when He come into the world. We don't... here's another thing we don't understand. Now please read first Isaiah 46:9&10. Now let's get this thing straight! Now either He did it or else He didn't!
READER: Remember the former things of old. . . DR. KINLEY: (Repeats) READER: for I am El. . . DR. KINLEY: (Repeats) READER: and there is none else. . . DR. KINLEY: (Repeats) READER: for I am Elohim. . . DR. KINLEY: (Repeats) READER: and there is none like me. . . DR. KINLEY: (Repeats) READER: declaring the end from the beginning. . . DR. KINLEY: (Repeats) READER: and from ancient times. . . DR. KINLEY: (Repeats) READER: the things that are not yet done. . . DR. KINLEY: (Repeats) READER: saying. . . DR. KINLEY: (Repeats) READER: My counsel shall stand. . . DR. KINLEY: (Repeats) READER: and I will do all my pleasure. . . DR. KINLEY: That's if He doesn't have some hindrance. . .
DR. KINLEY: Folks, what I am trying my best to tell you is this: We are serving an infallible, a Almighty Creator, that has power to declare the end, what's gonna be all the down through the dispensations and ages. And there's not enough demons in hell to obstruct or to hinder Him from carrying it out! Now that's what I'm telling you. And what we wanna know now, is what the purpose is. Now when He declared the end from the beginning, Yahshua the Messiah cannot institute nothing, not a thing. They said He was instituting Christian water baptism. They say He instituted Christian foot washing. They said He instituted Christian Lord supper -- no such of a thing. He never instituted N O T H I N G, nothing! He couldn't institute nothing! Because Yahweh had declared the end from the beginning, and therefore what He come to do was to fulfill as He said He was. I'm gone have that read. Then another thing, too, we don't understand. We don't understand that when John was baptizing on the River Jordan, we don't understand that he was baptizing under the law, dispensation of the law. We think that's New Testament doctrine. That's what you just called it, but it is not.
MINISTER: That's why I couldn't understand why you were talking about the, that the law preached up there and about Gentiles hearing it. But we know Gentiles are not in it.
DR. KINLEY: Look brother, what I'm trying to do is tell these people something that they don't know! MINISTER: Well it seem like they oughta heard about it.
DR. KINLEY: Well it just seems like it, but look at what's happening out here in the world! Look at all the confusion you got out there in the world! [Side 2 about 1/2 minute lost]. . . I don't see how you can do that. Read.
READER: Then cometh Yahshua from Galilee to Jordan unto John to be baptized of Him. But John forbade Him saying, I have need to be baptized of thee, and comest thou to me? And Yahshua answering said unto him, suffer it to be so now, for this it becometh us to fulfill all righteousness
DR. KINLEY: Now just a minute. I went back over there and read Isaiah. I read where Yahweh said that He declared the end from the beginning. Now Yahweh can't institute nothing, what He's got to do is proceed to fulfill what He has declared to happen through these seven dispensations and ages, can't institute a thing. How 'bout that? Now here comes Yahshua the Messiah, He said, "Suffer it to be so, or permit it to be so," to John, that's just to one man. For thus it behooves us, to do what?
READER: To fulfill! DR. KINLEY: (Repeats) READER: all righteousness DR. KINLEY: (Repeats) read. READER: then he permitted Him. . . DR. KINLEY: (Repeats) READER: Yahshua when He was baptized went up straight way out of the water. . . DR. KINLEY: (Repeats) READER: and lo the heavens were opened unto him. . . DR. KINLEY: and the heavens were opened to him READER: and he saw the spirit of Yahweh descending like a dove... DR. KINLEY: And he saw the spirit of Yahweh descending READER: and lightning upon Him. . . DR. KINLEY: (Repeats) READER: and lo a voice from heaven saying. . . DR. KINLEY: And lo a voice READER: this is my beloved Son. . . DR. KINLEY: (Repeats) READER: in whom I am well pleased. . . DR. KINLEY: In whom I am well pleased. Did that happen to you when you got baptized? STUDENTS: No! [Laughter throughout the room]
DR. KINLEY: Look folks, I'm not kidding, I'm not just trying to say something to be funny. I don't mean it that way. Water baptism was under, physical water baptism is a carnal ordinance under the dispensation of the law. It was instituted, and the Passover suppers too, were instituted. All the old covenant was instituted back there, but this is the first time that it was known or carried out on earth. Now I'm not kidding you, I'm just trying to tell you that we are ---- ----, and that we can know this covenant from start to finish, and understand it too. But what we've done, is went all back under the law and brought all that stuff over there that He fulfilled and moved out of the way, and drug it over here and tried to spiritualize it. Physical water is physical water! There's nothing spiritual about physical water! It is the living water, that's spiritual. Right?
DR. KINLEY: Okay, now that's one man. Now what we're talking about now, we're talking about fulfilling! Please understand me we're not talking about instituting! All right, Matthew 5.
READER: And seeing the multitudes. . . DR. KINLEY: Listen, and seeing the multitudes... READER: He went up into a mountain. . . DR. KINLEY: (Repeats) READER: and when He was set. . . DR. KINLEY: (Repeats) READER: His disciples came unto Him. . . DR. KINLEY: (Repeats) READER: and He opened His mouth. . . DR. KINLEY: (Repeats) READER: and taught them saying. . . DR. KINLEY: (Repeats) READER: Blessed are the poor in spirit. . .
DR. KINLEY: Blessed are the poor... Now I've never seen a preacher in my life that was able to tell me why He went up in that mountain and sat down up there, and opened His mouth. And if you look at the caption at the top of that page you'll find there "The Beattitudes." Let's get Colossians 2:15. Now listen, if He's fulfilling, if that's what He said He was doing... Now that's what Yahshua the Messiah, whom they call Jesus Christ, now that's what He said He was doing! Now if you wanna call Him a liar help yourself! Now He said He was fulfilling. Is that right?
DR. KINLEY: All right. Now then since it was all these Jews that come up out of Egypt, now that's nothing else but the Jew, they were baptized in the cloud and in the sea, 10th chapter of 1Corinthians. Now here He comes fulfilling it, and a cloud overshadowed. You got to even keep the cloud and the spirit and the earth right together, can't move nothing. Now here comes the one man, John. Now here He is talking to a multitude. What about that? Let's see if He changes His story. Read 17.
READER: Think not that I am come to destroy the law. . . DR. KINLEY: Now don't think that I have come to destroy the law READER: or the prophets. . . DR. KINLEY: (Repeats) READER: I'm not come to destroy. . . DR. KINLEY: I have not come to destroy READER: but to fulfill. . . DR. KINLEY: but, what? READER: fulfill. . .
DR. KINLEY: Now here He comes to a whole multitude of people, and seeing the multitudes that followed... Here's the multitudes, 503,550 people that come up out of that land of Egypt and was baptized in the cloud and in the sea, and they reached Mt. Sinai, and gathered up round Mt. Sinai, and the cloud that led 'em on up and settled on top of Mt. Sinai, and Yahweh give 'em three days to clean up, and He spoke to 'em from Mt. Sinai. Now if He's gone ever hope to get that fulfilled, He's got to go up into a mountain, and that cloud's got to come down. He's got to set on that mountain and speak to that multitude, fulfilling this that was back there. See this, that's what He was doing, fulfilling it. Christendom say He's instituting! Now read on there.
READER: for verily I say unto you. . . DR. KINLEY: For verily I say... Pay 'tention now. "For verily I say unto you" READER: till heaven and earth pass. . . DR. KINLEY: Till heaven and earth pass READER: one yod. . .
DR. KINLEY: What'd He say anything about heaven and earth passing for? Why'd He even mention it? Why'd He even bring it up? Well I'll tell you. He caused heaven and earth to pass before Moses. He saw the creation of heaven and earth pass. He showed him, and he saw it, and he wrote about it. And so now I got to bring that up in here. Read on.
READER: for verily verily I say unto you, till heaven and earth pass... DR. KINLEY: till heaven and earth pass READER: or yod. . . DR. KINLEY: (Repeats) READER: or one part. . . DR. KINLEY: (Repeats) READER: of a letter. . . DR. KINLEY: one part of a letter READER: shall in no wise pass. . . DR. KINLEY: Now pay 'tention folks! Shall in no wise pass! READER: from the law. . . DR. KINLEY: (Repeats) READER: till all be fulfilled. . .
DR. KINLEY: Till all be fulfilled! Can't pass until it's all fulfilled. Still holding on that He's fulfilling. Now He has to keep the same subject up there in that mountain. And then He begin to speak about you've heard of Moses of old time, thou shalt not thus and so forth and so on. Now I wanna get on a very important subject too since it's right in this chapter; I told you to read it a while ago. Now, since you're in the 24th chapter of Matthew, read the 14th verse.
READER: And glad tidings of the kingdom... This is the Holy Name Bible, I can get it . . . DR. KINLEY: No, I want this one. Read on. READER: And glad tidings of the kingdom. . . DR. KINLEY: of the kingdom READER: shall be preached in all the world. . . DR. KINLEY: (Repeats) READER: for a witness unto all nations. . . DR. KINLEY: (Repeats) READER: and then shall the end come. . . DR. KINLEY: Repeat. READER: And the glad tidings of the kingdom. . .
DR. KINLEY: Now listen folks! Look up here! Everybody look up here, now cause we're gonna talk about them carnal ordinances some more.
READER: And glad tidings of the kingdom. . . DR. KINLEY: of the kingdom READER: shall be preached in all the world. . . DR. KINLEY: (Repeats) READER: for a witness unto all nations. . . DR. KINLEY: (Repeats) READER: then. . . DR. KINLEY: And then shall the end come. Is that right? STUDENTS: Right. DR. KINLEY: Colossians 1:13 and Romans 14:17. READER: Who hath delivered us. . . DR. KINLEY: Colossians 1:13, verse 13. READER: Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness. . .
DR. KINLEY: Now you see folks... Now look! Look up here at me, look up here at me. Jehovah's Witnesses, and a whole lot of 'em are preaching that the Kingdom is yet to come, and God's gonna set up His Kingdom on earth. Am I lying? Do you that know agree?
DR. KINLEY: Now when Yahshua sent the Disciples out to go and do what?...preach that the Kingdom of heaven is near, or at hand, same thing. Now here we are nearly two thousand years from that and it hasn't happened yet according to their statement. That don't make no kind of sense. Please repeat what you just read.
READER: who hath delivered us from the power of. . . DR. KINLEY: Get up there and get around, get upon top of that. READER: Giving thanks to the Father. . . DR. KINLEY: (Repeats) READER: which hath made us meet. . . DR. KINLEY: (Repeats) READER: to be partakers of the inheritance of the sons. . . DR. KINLEY: (Repeats) READER: in light. . . DR. KINLEY: (Repeats) READER: Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness. . . DR. KINLEY: (Repeats) READER: and hath. . . DR. KINLEY: Hold it! Down under the law that's darkness, delivered us from the power of darkness READER: and hath translated us. . . DR. KINLEY: And hath, that's a past tense, and hath already translated us READER: into the Kingdom. . . DR. KINLEY: What? What are you talking about? "For into the Kingdom" READER: of His dear Son. . .
DR. KINLEY: of His dear Son... Now He's already translated us into the Kingdom of His dear Son. Now I'm back on carnal ordinances.
MINISTER: This is after the Holy Ghost? DR. KINLEY: Yes, sir! That's right; Yes, sir. Read Romans 14:17. READER: For the Kingdom of Yahweh. . . DR. KINLEY: (Repeats) READER: is not meats and drinks. . .
DR. KINLEY: Now go back over here Gill. Get Hebrews, read where it pointed to the meats and drinks and divers washings and carnal ordinances. Now we're in the Kingdom over here. All right, now what is the Kingdom?
READER: For the Kingdom of Yahweh. . . DR. KINLEY: (Repeats) READER: is not eating and drinking. . . DR. KINLEY: It is not meats and drinks READER: but righteousness. . .
DR. KINLEY: Now this is what it is! Over here under the law it was meats and drinks! Over in this age it is not meats and drinks! Well if it's not meats and drinks then what is it?
READER: but righteousness. . . DR. KINLEY: It is righteousness READER: and peace. . . DR. KINLEY: (Repeats) READER: and joy in the Holy Spirit. . .
DR. KINLEY: and joy in the Holy Spirit. Now that's what the Kingdom is. Now the people got it in their minds, it's a little old carnal thing or a government set up, and a few physical folks. Some of them done gone off to heaven, 144,000 of 'em, see that's who the true ---- are, and the rest of 'em is around here on earth. Jehovah's Witnesses, that's just as stupid and ignorant. Now you've found out that the Kingdom is already set up. And He's translated, hath translated us, without seeing death too, into the Kingdom of His dear Son. Now we want to know what the Kingdom of His dear Son was. And now we found it was righteousness, we found out that it's peace, and we found out it was joy in the Holy Spirit, now 8th chapter of Romans.
READER: There is therefore. . .
DR. KINLEY: Now listen, you can preach until your head falls off, or until you drop dead, to me, or any of the rest of this group that belongs to the Institute, and we want lose a one 'em. "There is therefore now..."
READER: no condemnation. . .
DR. KINLEY: Wait just a minute. There is therefore now, in this present dispensation and age, no condemnation to them that are in Yahshua the Messiah.
Minister: And you can't get in without the Holy Ghost. DR. KINLEY: Sir? Minister: And we can't get in without the Holy Ghost.
DR. KINLEY: We, we're gonna take care of that. We gone take care of that, and here's what else we gone take care of, we're going to take care of the Holy Ghost and the water! Now what we're showing to you, that in the Kingdom we're translated into it. We told you what it was; it is righteousness, peace and joy. That's not, that's not physical meats and drinks. And he said it is therefore now no condemnation, right now in this present age, no condemnation to them that are in Yahshua the Messiah.
READER: who walk not after the flesh. . . DR. KINLEY: (Repeats) READER: but after the. . .
DR. KINLEY: Hold it! That's the reason you don't eat no Lord supper. You don't have to fool with no water baptism. You don't fool with no carnal ordinances down under the law. We don't walk after His natural flesh. See we read these things, the Bible's just full of 'em, but we don't realize it when we read it. There is therefore no condemnation to them that are in Yahshua the Messiah, (Is that what you said?) who's walking not after the flesh. Is that almost right? Read on we gonna find out how we got in there too.
READER: but after the spirit. . . DR. KINLEY: (Repeats) READER: for the law. . . DR. KINLEY: (Repeats) READER: of the spirit of life. . . DR. KINLEY: For the... Stop there, now that's not the carnal ordinances, but the law of the spirit of life READER: in Yahshua the Messiah. . .
DR. KINLEY: In Yahshua the Messiah... Now that's this, the Law of the spirit. That's the reason why we put it up in here. That's what brought everything in, the Law of the Spirit of Life, which was in Yahshua the Messiah, read on.
READER: has made me free. . . DR. KINLEY: (Repeats) READER: from the law of . . .
DR. KINLEY: Now listen folks! Has delivered us! Really not us, but the Jews, we never had it in the first place! But it has delivered us, the Jews, from what?
READER: hath made me free. . . DR. KINLEY: (Repeats) READER: the law of sin and death. . .
DR. KINLEY: of LSD, from the law of sin and death. It made him free from water baptism! It made him free from eating physical Lord supper. It made him free from carnal ordinances!
Minister: It made 'em wiser. . . DR. KINLEY: Sir? Minister: I think it made him wiser. I said I think that it made him wiser. DR. KINLEY: That's right and every other thing. Yes, sir, it made him free from the law of sin and death. Read on. READER: For what the law could not do. . . DR. KINLEY: (Repeats) READER: in that it weak through the flesh. . . DR. KINLEY: In that it was weak pertaining to the flesh! READER: Yahweh. . . DR. KINLEY: (Repeats) READER: sending His own Son. . . DR. KINLEY: (Repeats) READER: in the likeness. . . DR. KINLEY: Naw, He was not a sinful body, but in the likeness READER: of sinful flesh. . . DR. KINLEY: What for? READER: because of sin. . . DR. KINLEY: (Repeats) READER: to condemn sin in the flesh. . . DR. KINLEY: and to condemn sin in the flesh READER: that the righteousness . . . DR. KINLEY: but the righteousness READER: of the law. . . DR. KINLEY: but the righteousness of the law READER: might be fulfilled in us. . . DR. KINLEY: that it might be fulfilled in us READER: who walk not after the flesh. . .
DR. KINLEY: Now can't you see that? You don't do no water baptizing! you don't eat no physical Lord supper! You don't do no foot washing!
MINISTER: I have a question. Did Paul not have the Lord supper, the Passover as we call it, the communion? DR. KINLEY: No, sir, they didn't... uh, yeah they had the communion; we do too.
MINISTER: I mean, I mean did Paul. . . DR. KINLEY: No, listen brother, all of it in it's literal physical and natural sense, that was invoked on the Jews, was removed. MINISTER: Naw, but I just asked if Paul did it.
DR. KINLEY: No, sir... I have did it myself. It's lawful for him to do a whole lot of thing, but everything was not expedient. He baptized some too, but it was not expedient. See it was in this age that ---- ---- ----, see and you couldn't put somebody into Yahshua the Messiah. See this is where we're having our problem at. We're trying to work the work the work! We're trying to work upon salvation. It won't work. All right, now read.
READER: that the righteousness of the law. . . DR. KINLEY: (Repeats) READER: might be fulfilled in us. . . DR. KINLEY: That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us... READER: who walk not after the flesh. . .
DR. KINLEY: Now can't you see that? See Paul's telling you the same thing over and over and over again! A man get up here and quote that "There is therefore now no condemnation to them that are in Yahshua the Messiah, who is Christ, or rather that we walk not after the flesh." And then he turns right around and everything he does is right after the flesh. Now you know what that means? That means that he doesn't know the difference between one dispensation and age, and the other. And let me get this over to you please, if you please. I said, and I haven't taken it back, there is nobody, I never heard tell a thing, never heard tell of anybody that was ever saved without water baptism, I'm talking about physical water baptism. But now we have to understand what we're talking about. See our water baptism was fulfilled in Him when He was baptized. Now listen here, what is the church? It's the body of Yahshua the Messiah! Is that what it is? I wanna know if that's what it is? If it is not I wanna know it now! When John baptized Him, I say he baptized His whole body. That got me and that got you. When He was nailed to the cross, that got me and that got you. We don't just don't understand what we're reading that's where all of our difficulty is!
MINISTER: Altogether then He took on our sins? DR. KINLEY: What? MINISTER: Altogether then He took on our sin, right? DR. KINLEY: Right MINISTER: Which means we can't hold on to sin and be included in that? DR. KINLEY: No, no, you don't be sinning. What is sin? STUDENTS: Transgression of the law.
DR. KINLEY: That's right, indeed it is. Now listen, transgression of what law? Now that's the very reason why I told you, if you gonna do one part of it, you do it all. And I keep on telling you, you can't read it out your Bible that Yahweh ever gave in the history of the world, give you any carnal ordinances. He spoke to Abraham, and Abraham believed Yahweh and it was accounted to him for righteousness. So now that's what we're doing. We're preaching the gospel unto you, and you believe, and that's accounted unto for righteousness. You were crucified with Him, you were baptized with Him. It said He come by water, and He also come by blood, blood and water, and so also do you.
MINISTER: Don't y'all have works? DR. KINLEY: Sir? MINISTER: Don't y'all have works? DR. KINLEY: Yes, sir! The work is this: This is... What did He say was the work? STUDENT BODY: Believing! Believing. DR. KINLEY: I ain't gone have no people tell me nothing, you got to read out the Bible for me. READER: Then said they unto Him. . . DR. KINLEY: Where are you reading? READER: John 6:28 DR. KINLEY: (Repeats) READER: Then said they unto Him. . . DR. KINLEY: (Repeats)
READER: what shall we do that we might work the works of Elohim? Yahshua answered and said unto them, this is the work of Elohim, that you believe on Him whom He hath sent.
DR. KINLEY: Now that's the work. MINISTER: James said, "Faith without works is dead." DR. KINLEY: Yes that's without works. Now when you say "Faith without works," it didn't say the works of the law. MINISTER: It says that. . . DR. KINLEY: Wait, now wait a minute! Now this is the work: That you believe on Yahweh, that's in Him. MINISTER: That's a work?
DR. KINLEY: Well now you want me to show you how great that was? Habakkuk 1:4&5, show you where they didn't believe on Him.
MINISTER: Does the Devil believe on Him? DR. KINLEY: And tremble. MINISTER: And tremble.
DR. KINLEY: See now brothers and sisters, I know what I'm talking about! Yahweh caught me up into heaven and showed me. Now I wanna make, I wanna make this real good and clear. All of these carnal ordinances that was imposed on the Jews, they all pointed to the spirit. They all pointed to the spirit. For instance, eating the Passover supper was imposed on the Jews, literally and naturally so, they ate it. No Gentiles was invited to the first one, none to the last one. Go and up there and get the 26th chapter of Matthews. Now listen clearly, Revelations 3:20 and then we'll be done. Now here he's... All right read.
READER: Behold I stand at the door and knock. . . DR. KINLEY: (Repeats) READER: If any man hear. . .
DR. KINLEY: Hold it! Where you get that; where did he get that from? Down in Egypt they had to go from one house to the other if they couldn't eat that lamb all by themselves. Now you pay 'tention now, I'm trying to tell you something! That was in another world, in another dispensation, in another age. It's carnal! It's literal! It's natural! It's physical! IT IS NOT SPIRITUAL! They went to one another's house. That lamb had to be consumed that night. They put the blood on each side of the doorpost, and up over the lintels of the door, the Jews only. Now I said they went to one another's house and knocked on the door! They ate in their own house! They did not eat it up in the congregation of the assembly like the Protestant, and the Roman Catholics, and the Jews do. You'll find that in the 12th chapter of Exodus. Now here He is, and He's done eat that Passover, the last one, with His Disciples. Now He's done resurrected from the dead and ascended into heaven, and appeared to John out there on the Isle of Patmos. And He said, "Behold I stand at the door," knocking on your door. I'm trying my best to tell you how a natural, a physical, a literal thing in a world that was before this one, pointed to a spiritual on this side. That's what I'm trying my best to do. And now here He is, a quickening spirit, suppose to be in me, and you, the ministers, saying "Behold I stand at the door and knock," at your conscience, knock on your door! Knock as a quickening spirit. Read on.
READER: If any man hear my voice. . . DR. KINLEY: Listen! If any man hear my voice! MINISTER: You can't open it. . . DR. KINLEY: Wait a minute! MINISTER: You can't open no door until you hear it.... STUDENT BODY: That's right!
DR. KINLEY: No, sir, you ain't gone open no door until you hear. I'm trying to get you to hear! When you hear His voice, open up the door, then what?
READER: I will come into him. . . DR. KINLEY: I will, (that conjunction), I will come into him! And do what? READER: and sup with him DR. KINLEY: (Repeats) READER: and he with me. . .
DR. KINLEY: Now wait just a minute! And now that's what He did at the Passover supper, He supped with them. Now He's in you, the man, He's supping within you. You got'a hear the voice! That's a Passover supper! Yes we eat it, if you please! Yes we're baptized in water, living water! Yes we are washed, feet and all, in the washing of regeneration and the renewing of the Holy Spirit. You can't find in no Bible where carnal ordinances were ever imposed on anybody. Now give me the 8th chapter of Romans: "There is therefore now, no condemnation to them that are in Yahshua the Messiah..." I told you I was getting back on that. Now I wanna to find out how you get in Him. All right, read.
READER: There is therefore no condemnation to them which are in Yahshua the Messiah, who walk not after the flesh. . .
DR. KINLEY: Now Richard you hear me. Any time you go back there and fool around with what was imposed on them Jews, you're walking after the flesh. Now you can try to fix it any kinda way you want to but that's what you're doing... ignorant. Now listen, this is very plain. We don't walk after the flesh! We do not walk after anything natural! We are walking after the Holy Spirit! Nothing natural! You're living in a spiritual age or a spiritual dispensation! You're in the Kingdom of Yahshua the Messiah where meats and drinks don't work at all. And they were only imposed on the Jews until the time of reformation. You don't know nobody else, and it's not in no Bible! I been preaching it for 44 years and ain't nobody never put me down. "There is therefore no condemnation to them, which are in Yahshua the Messiah, who walk not after the flesh but after the spirit." Is that what you just read? Now I wanna know how we get in, 2nd Corinthians 12:13, 1Corinthians 12:13.
READER: For by one spirit. . .
DR. KINLEY: Now listen. Now you listen boy. Are you sure you're listening? For by one spirit, NOT WATER! Is that clear to you? Read.
READER: are we all baptized into one body. . . DR. KINLEY: (Repeats) READER: whether we be Jew or Greek. . . DR. KINLEY: It don't make no difference whether we're Jew or Gentile, it don't make a bit of difference! Read. READER: whether we be bond or free. . . DR. KINLEY: (Repeats) READER: we have been made to drink into that one spirit. . .
DR. KINLEY: We're made to drink into that one spirit. Now you see how you got in? You can't wet nobody up into the Kingdom of Yahshua the Messiah. Now look folks, now I'm saying it to you the easy way. We're going back over now. I know the time is up for this class. So I wanna explain everything I'm talking about. Don't try no more to drag no more carnal ordinances of any kind over here. They do not belong in this age.
Now the brother spoke about Peter down at Cornelius' house preaching to the Gentiles. They were the first to come in, 10th chapter of Acts of Apostles, (I know about it). And while Peter yet spake, Yahweh poured out the Holy Spirit on 'em. What He do that for? ---- ---- ----. What did He do that for? Is because He was bringing them in according to the way He made the promise to Abraham, which was by Faith that He would bless all the families of the earth. Peter commanded them to be baptized in physical water; he certainly did. And everybody was there when he went back up to Judea, and all the apostles and elders were gathered together, the 15th chapter of Acts of Apostles. They jumped, all, and John too, I mean all the apostles they jumped on him, and elders, because he went unto the Gentiles. Now they didn't jump on him about getting water baptized, that wasn't what they jumped on him for. Said, "You went in unto men that were uncircumcised." They jumped on him. Now look, I wanna let you know, all the apostles and elders were there. And there's something else there too, the Holy Spirit was there too. And then this is what they said, read it Gill, about where it pleased, uh, about each one give their sentence about them abstaining from certain things, if you do this, then you do well. There are no carnal ordinances given to no Gentiles. Now I didn't say, (I want y'all to understand me), I'm not trying to tell you that you don't need to take a bath every once in a while; get you some deodorant and soap too. Just go 'head on and take it whether you think you need it or not, go 'head on and take it. It's no water baptism; it's not that. Now remember when Peter went down to Corneilus' house, he's setting right there with them, the 15th chapter of Acts of Apostles.
READER: And certain men, which came down from Judea taught the brethren and said, except ye be circumcised after the manner of Moses ye cannot be saved.
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DR. KINLEY: That's right.
READER: When therefore Paul and Barnabas had no small dissension and disputation with them, they determined that Paul and Barnabas and certain other of them should go up to Jerusalem unto the apostles and elders about this question. . .
DR. KINLEY: Now we ain't got time to read all of that, so skip on down. . .
READER: 5th verse. But there rose up certain of the sect of the Pharisees which believed, saying, that it was needful to circumcise them and to command them to keep the law of Moses. . .
DR. KINLEY: Now wait just a minute. Whenever you think it's necessary for me to be baptized, why don't you put circumcision in it? And why don't you put eating the Lord supper in it? Why don't you just keep the whole thing? Now that's what they were jumping on the apostles. . .
MAN: They didn't baptize back that time . . . DR. KINLEY: What's that? MAN: Cause they didn't baptize 'em in water back then. . . DR. KINLEY: They didn't what?
MAN: Cause they didn't baptize under back then like that, Jesus did not command them. He was an example from that point forth. But before that point, I don't know anybody but John, being the forerunner, baptizing Israel.
DR. KINLEY: Well listen, if you had looked down in the 11th chapter, you want me to read it over again?
MINISTER: No, I know what you're saying, but I. . .
DR. KINLEY: Naw, I ain't talking about that. I ain't talking about what I said. I said a whole lot of things you probably misunderstood. I'm talking about Hebrews. I'm talking about the 9th chapter of Hebrews...
MINISTER: You know a Hebrew was baptized. . . DR. KINLEY: Now just a minute, I'm talking about the 9th chapter of Hebrews. That carnal ordinances. . . MINISTER: I'm saying that. . .
DR. KINLEY: Now just a minute. Which includes foot washing, all kinds of washings, it doesn't make any difference, all kinds of washings. Every day the high priest washed here in this laver. Those are carnal ordinances and washings. Now water baptism was just a figure of this one, and a washing. Because those sacrifices had to be buried in this water, in the laver there every day. Now when you're talking about washings, and you're talking about baptism, and when you talk about those things, please let it be what it is - they're prophecies. Now what He's doing, He's fulfilling. Now I showed you, I showed you where every child that's ever conceived in the womb, that's reason why we put that up there on that, everything's on the chart. We do know what we're talking about, and we're not confused and mixed up about it. It ain't nobody in here that haven't been baptized or washed in water. That's how you got in the world. We came in just like He did. Sir?
MINISTER: Yeah, all right. DR. KINLEY: Is that correct? MINISTER: No DR. KINLEY: You mean to tell me that a child that's in the womb. . .
MINISTER: I agree with that, yes, I didn't mean that. Why we all, yes, that's true. That's why it's necessary to be born again, and we have to be born of the water. . .
DR. KINLEY: Well when you say born again, when you say born again you are born of the water. . . MINISTER: And of the spirit. . .
DR. KINLEY: And of the spirit in this age. I told you what spiritual, what spiritual, or living water, then. . . MINISTER: Uh. . .
DR. KINLEY: Just a minute, just a minute. I want you to understand that everything that was imposed on those Jews back there, everything, missing nothing, you're a partaker of it in that you're a partaker of Him in that He fulfilled the whole thing.
MINISTER: I understand that. DR. KINLEY: Well then if you understand that, that's all it is to understand. . . MINISTER: But, but what I'm saying is since. . . DR. KINLEY: Naw, you're trying. . . MINISTER: since we've received the Holy Ghost. . .
DR. KINLEY: Now listen Brother, here's what you're trying to do, and it's not so. You can't get into Yahshua the Messiah through no water, physical water baptism. I just read to you by one Spirit. . .
MINISTER: You don't have the one spirit until you receive it. . . DR. KINLEY: Yes, that's right. But you do not receive it by the works of the law. . . MINISTER: Right, and ---- ----.
DR. KINLEY: But what I'm trying to tell you, Brother, is this: You don't get baptized in no water! I pointed it out! You can't. . .
MINISTER: It's three things. . .
DR. KINLEY: Just, just a minute, I know what you're fixing to say, just three things. Now tell me what the three things are you wanna bring over here.
MINISTER: Now look if you already know, I'm not gone tell you. (STUDENT BODY LAUGHS) DR. KINLEY: No, you go 'head tell me! You gone tell me just like the rest of 'em are preaching out there, and it's not so. MINISTER: Well I don't preach like the rest of 'em. . .
DR. KINLEY: Well they say that this Lord supper was brought over, and God commanded us to eat it. "As often as we eat this bread and drink of this cup," 26th chapter of Matthew. And they say water baptism was brought over from the other side, that's no so, Yahshua the Messiah fulfilled every jot and tittle of it and moved it out of the way. I wanna go. . .
DR. GILL: Dr. Kinley? DR. KINLEY: Yes
DR. GILL: I think where he's asking about where Yahshua is speaking to Nicodemus, said "Unless a man is born of the water and of the spirit..." That's in another dispensation.
DR. KINLEY: Yes that's right. DR. GILL: He's bringing it up. . .
MINISTER: No, I don't buy that. That's not intended for no past dispensation, that's talking about after the death of Jesus, y'all call Him Yahshua.
DR. KINLEY: That's right MINISTER: So that's to us.
DR. KINLEY: I agree I don't disagree with it at all. And listen here I've also stated this: I, Folks, all of you are sitting here listening at me. Aren't you?
DR. KINLEY: I have said that there's nobody in here, and nobody's ever been saved in the history of the world without a physical water baptism! Is that clear to you? I showed you even now when it happened! Here's when it happened. When Yahshua the Messiah was baptized, (His body's the church), when He's crucified, that got you. Now what you're trying to do is pull out the thing and separate it. Now He fulfilled every jot and every tittle of it, of the law, and we're not under a dispensation and precept of carnal ordinances. And Yahweh never at no time said nothing! And what He's talking about there is to those Jews, "Except you be born of the water and of the spirit you shall in no wise enter in." He ain't talking to no Gentiles, He's talking to the Jews!
MINISTER: He said what I say to one I said to all. . . DR. KINLEY: huh?
MINISTER: The same thing He said to the Jews is to the Gentiles. DR. KINLEY: No, sir! Now you see, now that ain't right. You ain't got no Bible for that Doc. MINISTER: He said what I say to one I say to all. . .
DR. KINLEY: And He was talking to all His disciples He wasn't talking to the Gent... No, sir, that's not so! Because if what He said to one He said to all, then all this would apply to the Gentiles.
MINISTER: The Gentiles were, that's what you, we're saying the same thing, we're saying that it applies. We're saying that when they are in the body of Christ that they are fulfilling this. So what's, what are we saying?
DR. KINLEY: I tried my best to tell you, I said it as plain as I know how to say it, 11th chapter of Romans. READER: If some of the branches. . .
DR. KINLEY: That's right, go 'head. This is the 15th chapter of St. John. "I am the true vine and you are the branches, and my Father is the Husbandman." We all know that. All right, read on.
READER: and if some of the branches be broken off. . . DR. KINLEY: (Repeats) READER: and thou being a wild olive tree. . . DR. KINLEY: (Repeats) READER: were grafted in among them. . .
DR. KINLEY: Now listen! Listen folks, now we're reading out of the Bible. "And thou being a wild olive tree, the Gentiles, were grafted in..." Listen, pay attention. (You folks that are going out, I wished you would stay please, and just have a little patience. You ain't gonna here it no where else so you might as well stay and listen and hear me talk). Now listen, it says they were grafted in. Doesn't it? Does it say grafted?
STUDENTS: Yes DR. KINLEY: Grafted where? STUDENTS: Among the branches. . .
DR. KINLEY: Among the branches, not in the roots! The Jew he was planted. The tree is done grown up. The Father done broke 'em off, the Jews that disbelieved, and He grafted the Gentiles in like He made the promise to Abraham. Read on.
READER: were grafted in among them. . . DR. KINLEY: Were grafted in among them, made partakers of the root and the fatness. Read on. READER: and with them partakest of the root and fatness of the olive tree. . . DR. KINLEY: That's right READER: Boast not against the branches. . . DR. KINLEY: (Repeats) READER: but if thou boast. . . DR. KINLEY: (Repeats) READER: thou bearest not the roots. . . DR. KINLEY: (Repeats) READER: but the roots thee. . . DR. KINLEY: (Repeats) READER: thou will say then. . . DR. KINLEY: (Repeats) READER: the branches were broken off. . . DR. KINLEY: (Repeats) READER: that I might be grafted in . . . DR. KINLEY: (Repeats) READER: Well . . . DR. KINLEY: (Repeats) READER: because of unbelief. . . DR. KINLEY: Now listen folks! Because of unbelief they were broken off. Read on. READER: they were broken off. . . DR. KINLEY: That's right, read on. READER: and thou standest by faith. . . DR. KINLEY: Now you, don't you see that? We're telling you all the time you stand by faith! All right read on. READER: be not high minded. . . DR. KINLEY: See now don't be high minded READER: but fear DR. KINLEY: (Repeats) READER: for if Yahweh spared not the natural branches. . . DR. KINLEY: for if Yahweh didn't spare the natural branches READER: take heed lest He also spare not thee. . . DR. KINLEY: Take heed that He spare not thee. Read on READER: Behold. . . DR. KINLEY: (Repeats) READER: therefore the goodness and severity of Yahweh. . . DR. KINLEY: Now look at the goodness and severity of Yahweh. READER: on them that fell, severity. . . DR. KINLEY: On them, (the Jews that fell), severity READER: but toward thee DR. KINLEY: (Repeats) READER: goodness DR. KINLEY: (Repeats) READER: if thou continue in the faith. . . DR. KINLEY: If you continue in the faith! READER: otherwise. . . DR. KINLEY: (Repeats) READER: thou also shalt be cut off. . . DR. KINLEY: (Repeats). Read on. READER: and if they also, if they abide not still in unbelief. . . DR. KINLEY: And if they also abide not, or continue not in unbelief, then what? READER: shall be grafted in . . . DR. KINLEY: Naw Gill, baptize 'em! READER: Grafted in, for Yahweh is able to graft them . . .
DR. KINLEY: Now just a minute! What I'm trying my best to show you now is, it's to late! A lot of them Jew rejected the water baptism of John the Baptist. It's to late for them to get baptized. Why? Because the tree is grown up and they were broken off among the branches, and now you got to put, (not plant him) but graft him back into it. Read on Gill.
READER: For if thou wert cut out of the olive tree, which is wild by nature... DR. KINLEY: um hum READER: and were grafted contrary to nature into a good olive tree. . . DR. KINLEY: Grafted contrary to nature into a good olive tree READER: how much more shall these, which be the natural branches... DR. KINLEY: (Repeats) READER: be grafted in their own olive tree . . . DR. KINLEY: Be grafted again in their own olive tree. Read on. READER: For I would not brethren. . . DR. KINLEY: (Repeats) READER: that ye should be ignorant of this mystery. . . DR. KINLEY: That you should, it's a mystery. Read READER: lest ye should be wise in your own conceits. . . DR. KINLEY: (Repeats) READER: that blindness in part is happened to Israel. . . DR. KINLEY: Now that blindness in part is happened to Israel READER: until the fullness of the Gentiles be come in
DR. KINLEY: until the fullness or the time for the Gentiles to come in. Now folks, all I said to you, to sum it up, is we don't practice carnal ordinances in this dispensation, neither Jews nor Gentiles.
Now, there's one more thing I wanna touch on, I wanna show you. Now we read in Matthew 3:13 &14 where He told John the Baptist that He come to fulfill. We read in Matthew 5:17, "Think not that I come to destroy the Law and the Prophets, but I come to fulfill, for verily, verily I say unto you that one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass until all be fulfilled." Is that all most right? Now then I want you to get the 10th chapter of Hebrews. And I want you to pay 'tention to what you're reading. This is what I wanna show you: It was the will of the Father, it was the will of our Father for Him to remove all those carnal ordinances, all, everything natural, take it out the way. Read.
READER: Now the law having a shadow of good things to come. . . DR. KINLEY: Sacrifices and burnt offerings, 5th chapter of Hebrews. READER: Yeah, that's where I'm reading. DR. KINLEY: All right. READER: For the law having a shadow of good things to come, and not the very image of the thing. . . DR. KINLEY: Now you see the law had a shadow of good things to come READER: and not the very image of the thing. . . DR. KINLEY: (Repeats) READER: can never with those sacrifices, which they offered year by year continually make the comers there unto perfect . . . DR. KINLEY: um hum READER: for then would they have not ceased to be offered. . . DR. KINLEY: um hum READER: because that the worshipper once purged should have had no more consciousness of sin. . . DR. KINLEY: um hum READER: but in those sacrifices. . . DR. KINLEY: in those sacrifices READER: there is a remembrance again made of sin every year. . . DR. KINLEY: every year and every -----. READER: For it is not possible that the blood of bull and of goats could take away sin. . . DR. KINLEY: That's right READER: Wherefore, when He cometh into the world He saith. . .
DR. KINLEY: Now look here, now we read this where He said "When He cometh into the world," we read it. See, and we read what He said. "Wherefore He saith when He cometh into the world..."
READER: Sacrifices and offerings DR. KINLEY: (Repeats) READER: thou wouldest not. . . DR. KINLEY: (Repeats) READER: but a body hast thou prepared. . .
DR. KINLEY: But a body! Look up here folks! That was a sacrificial body for the redemption or restoration of mankind back to the Father. All right, sacrifices and burnt offerings thou wouldest not... Even when they were doing these different and sundry laws Yahweh didn't have no pleasure in 'em. You see that now? He wasn't pleased with it. All right, read.
READER: Burnt offering and sacrifices for sin thou hast had no pleasure. DR. KINLEY: He didn't have no pleasure in it. READER: Then said I. . . DR. KINLEY: (Repeats) READER: lo I come in the volume of the. . . DR. KINLEY: Here we are again! "Then said I, lo I come" READER: in the volume of the Book. . .
DR. KINLEY: In the volume of the Book, I'm coming according to the law and the prophets. I'm gonna fulfill the law and the prophets. "Sacrifices and burnt offerings thou wouldest not but a body hast thou prepared for me. Then said I, lo I come in the volume of the Book as it is already written of me..." As Moses and the Prophets written it of Him, said He's coming in that, in the volume of the book as it's written of me. What a you gonna do? I'm gone do the will of my Father, read. Is that what it say, to do the will of the Father. Read on.
READER: Above when he said sacrifices. . . DR. KINLEY: Above when he said sacrifices and burnt offerings READER: and offerings and burnt offerings and offering for sins thou wouldest not, neither hast had any pleasure therein. . . DR. KINLEY: That's right. READER: which are offered by the law, then said He, lo I come to do thy will O Yahweh. . . DR. KINLEY: Lo, listen, lo I come to do thy will O Yahweh! READER: He taketh away the first. . .
DR. KINLEY: Now did you hear that? Did you hear that? Said He takes away the first! Took away all water baptism, all carnal ordinances! What's that for? So we can walk after the spirit. Read Gill.
READER: that He may establish the second. . . DR. KINLEY: (Repeats) READER: by the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Yahshua the Messiah once for all.
DR. KINLEY: Now listen folks! It was the will of the Father that He take away water baptism! It was the will of the Father that He take away all carnal ordinances so that you could walk in the spirit, and walk after the spirit. He ain't doing nothing natural, no works! Habakkuk, the first chapter I believe it is. It says there "Behold ye despisers wonder and perish, I'll work a work, (not you), I'll work a work in your day that you shall not believe though a man declare it unto you." And when it come time for Yahshua the Messiah, of doing that work, they accosted Him. They asked Him "By what authority do you do this, and by what authority do you do that, and by what authority do you thus and so forth and so on?" He said "Behold ye despisers wonder and perish, I'll work a work, (not you), I'll work a work in your day that you won't believe though a man declare it unto you." Now here He comes declaring that He comes to fulfill the works of the law and the prophets, and do the will of the Father, and to remove all of the old covenant, that new covenant might become of affect upon them that believe, or that the Holy Spirit might be poured out on them that believe. That's the new covenant. And that's what's going on in this age, no natural things at all.
LADY: Dr. Kinley DR. KINLEY: What you say? Speak out loud.
LADY: Doc, can we read Colossians that 2nd chapter and 13th verse and on down, maybe that will help here. Will that be all right?
DR. KINLEY: We've already done read it. . . LADY: Colossians the 2nd chapter? DR. KINLEY: Yes we read Colossians. LADY: and the 13th verse? DR. KINLEY: Yes ma'am we read Colossians the 13th verse. . . LADY: all the way down? DR. KINLEY: You want it read again? LADY: for him. DR. KINLEY: All right, read the 2nd chapter. 2nd chapter... we didn't read the 2nd chapter, we read the first.
READER: and you being... I'll start with, I'll start at 9. "For in Him dwelleth all the fullness of the supernal nature in bodily form."
DR. KINLEY: For in Him dwelleth all the fullness of the Godhead bodily, I'll use that name. READER: and you are complete in Him. . .
DR. KINLEY: Now you are complete in Him. How did you get in Him? It's by one spirit that you were baptized in Him. All right, read on.
READER: and you are complete in Him, which is the head of all principalities… DR. KINLEY: And you are complete in Him which is the head of all principalities and powers. . . READER: and powers. . . DR. KINLEY: That's right READER: in whom also you are circumcised. . .
DR. KINLEY: Now you see that? In whom also you are circumcised... Circumcision without hands, baptized without hands, resurrected without... look pa, no hands. Read on.
READER: with the circumcision made without hands. . . DR. KINLEY: (Repeats) READER: in putting off the body of the sins of the flesh. . . DR. KINLEY: (Repeats) READER: by the circumcision of the Messiah. . .
DR. KINLEY: By the... Now what did you say? What did you say? You said by the circumcision of Messiah. Now listen here boy, If I'm circumcised by the circumcision of the Messiah, and He was circumcised 8 days after He was born, don't you see everything was done in Him for me? Don't you see that? Circumcision was the first law, that's where it started at.
READER: buried with Him in baptism. . . DR. KINLEY: (Repeats) READER: wherein also. . . DR. KINLEY: (Repeats) READER: you are risen with Him. . . DR. KINLEY: I told you it was in the Book. Wherein also you are risen with Him READER: through the faith and the operation of Yahweh. . . DR. KINLEY: (Repeats) READER: who hath raised Him from the dead. . . DR. KINLEY: uh hum, what's that? READER: who hath raised Him from the dead. . .
DR. KINLEY: Who hath raised Him from the dead. Now you can't fix that. You can mess it up but you can't fix it! I told you, I tried my best to tell you. All I been trying to tell you tonight is this, that Yahweh was in Yahshua the Messiah reconciling the world unto Him self. And He did all these things for us. He did everything was to be done for us. Why so? That you might have faith in Him. If you do any works you're lost.
MINISTER: I wonder if I'd be out of order if I asked. . . DR. KINLEY: No you won't be out of order.
MINISTER: All right, I got one more. I'm concerned about women and men, how that they... who's the male and the female, how we got women and men, and where there's no difference in women and men, but they're all the same in the body of Yahshua.
DR. KINLEY: Is that what you concerned about? Well look, I started to go into that, then I realized I couldn't tell you the whole story, I realize that. But if you permit, if you permit...
MINISTER: You don't have to ask me. . . DR. KINLEY: I'm asking them, see we go by time here. DR. GILL: Yeah, and we have, we got an extra hour here tonight. DR. KINLEY: All right then, I can hang out. He's asked a question. . . DR. GILL: We got 30 minutes.
DR. KINLEY: He's asking a question about male and female, "There's neither male or female, born nor free..." [Side 1 of (2of2) Ended, couple of statements lost]. . . and He took the woman, uh, took the man that He had made, and put him in the garden, and took the woman out of his side. That's the reason why when He took the woman out of his side... Now we get into an argument here with a lot of folks. Look, He took the womb and the rib. Somebody said, "Now I never heard...."
DR. GILL: Can't hear Doc. I can't hear you.
DR. KINLEY: Well somebody say "Well, I ain't never heard 'em say anything about the womb." I said He took the rib and the womb. But when he made man, uh, made the woman and brought her to the man, he said "She is now bone of my bone and flesh of my flesh, therefore she shall be called..." Now the point is, He separated the male and female. But in Him, in Yahweh, He's neither male nor... see there was no such things as a male and a female, (that's a figment of mans mind) until He created them. That's what I'm talking about. Now you see when we go back into the spirit, well let put it like this. In Acts of the Apostles 17:31, it says we are the offspring of Yahweh. When we sprung off from Yahweh, now we're going back to where we come from. So in that there is neither male nor female, there's nothing like that, but we're all one in Yahweh. Now that is really what the Apostle is talking about. Did I, does that suit?
Minister: That's all right, but I think what I'm really trying to get at, we have ordained ministers, and we have men and women according to the teachings of Yahweh. . .
DR. KINLEY: Yeah
MINISTER: I'm now trying to find where it's written that this is the case. When we talk about there's neither male or female, we also talk about neither Greek nor Jew, bond nor free.
DR. KINLEY: Yes, that's right. MINISTER: So what I'm getting at is this: The people are getting all mixed up in the confusion. . .
DR. KINLEY: Well listen I'll tell you, the folks is gonna stay mixed up so far as that part is concerned. We ain't going to never get straighten out. When Yahweh, uh, Yahshua is revealed from heaven you'll still be in ---- -----. Now that's, that's the truth about it, because people will not yield to the truth.
Now look at Jehovah's Witnesses, there's no J in the Hebrew language. There wasn't no J in no language until the 17th century AD. Now here they comes up with Jehovah. Now you know that's, that's... And when you try to correct them then you're in trouble. Now you said you had another half hour let me get into that. Will you let me get into that?
STUDENTS: Yes DR. KINLEY: [Writing on board]. . . David DAVID: Yeah
DR. KINLEY: Get on the board. Put the tetragrammaton there, and in English. This is English folks; this is Yahweh in English. Is that almost right?
DAVID: Right DR. KINLEY: Is this English or Hebrew? DAVID: That's English, that's English. DR. KINLEY: Okay, but His name is Yahweh in Hebrew DAVID: Right
DR. KINLEY: How 'bout that? Now that's the tetragrammaton. Now put the vowels -- nope, put it on that board. A E I O U. Put it up there in the corner, put it up there. Now those are the vowels. That's the vowels down there; this is in Hebrew. Now we're after what he's talking about, the man and the woman. Now doc you have to get this out. Y H W H, now they got a "J" in here. . .
STUDENT: Speak louder Doc.
DR. KINLEY: They got a, they got a "J" in here, J E for Jehovah. Now here's the vowels A E I O U and sometimes Y. Now put the, put the vowels in here. Put the vowels, put Adam down first. Put Adam down below it. Now read over there Gill where he called in the 5th chapter of Genesis where He called, it's about the 9th verse, where He called their name Adam.
DR. GILL: Genesis 5:2 DR. KINLEY: Genesis 5:2, He called their name Adam. What are you gone do with it?
READER: This is the book of the generations of Adam. In the day that Elohim created man, in the likeness of Elohim made He him. . .
DR. KINLEY: um hum READER: Male and female created He them and blessed them. .. DR. KINLEY: um hum READER: and called their name Adam. . .
DR. KINLEY: And He called their name Adam! He called their name Adam, that's the man with the woman in him. Is that right?
DAVID: Right DR. KINLEY: Now the man was first formed. Put the vowel in where it belongs there. Now what is that? DAVID: Y A H DR. KINLEY: What's that? DAVID: That's the masculine portion of the name Yahweh.
DR. KINLEY: Now that's the masculine portion of the name Yahweh. That's the masculine portion. Put the E in where it belongs at.
[David is writing on the board: W E H
DR. KINLEY: That's Yah weh. Now if you would put the "J" down, "JE." Now what you've got, you've got it just exactly backwards. You got the woman before the man. [JEHOVAH] Now you do this: Put the E in here in the masculine part of it, then you got the woman, and you got the woman before the man. That didn't happen to be that way.
Now look folks, now this is hard to say, hard to understand too, hard to be uttered. If you take these (thanks David), if you take these days of the creation... And what we do go by, and that's why we don't make mistakes. You may think so. You may think that we've made a whole lot of mistakes tonight but we haven't. Because after while when it does really dawn on you, you'll know yourself, because you can't get nothing better, it's in everybody's Bible. You just sound to sleep.
But now look, Yahweh caused a deep sleep to fall on the man Adam. And He removed a rib of Adam, and the womb, to form that woman. And He went in his side. Now look, you wouldn't think of this in a million years. He told Noah to build an ark, put the door in the side. That's the only way to get in is in through the side. Now when Yahshua the Messiah was hanging out on the cross, (the 2nd Adam), He's the Messiah, so they pierced Him in the side. You know this man out here in the garden, caused that deep sleep to fall on the man. Now here's what I was trying to tell you. Now you can just say all you want to to Jehovah's Witnesses, but they've been telling that lie so long. They want everybody to believe they know what they're right and know what they're talking about. And there's no "J," and it wasn't no "J" in no language. They don't even know where the "J" come from - most people don't. I'll tell you something about where it comes from, if you want me to, real quick.
STUDENTS: Yes! Yes! DR. KINLEY: You know the "J" is got a curve in it. Is that right? STUDENTS: Right
DR. KINLEY: You say that's right. Well now Cain he was a tiller of the soil, and Abel he was a tender of sheep. And so he left his staff curved to rescue a sheep. Now if you take that, take that curve, and set it up this way, [Doc is demonstrating on blackboard] draw, draw it this way, what have you got?
AUDIENCE: "J" DR. KINLEY: Huh? AUDIENCE: "J" You got a "J".
DR. KINLEY: You got'a "J." If you take the same thing and turn it around the other way, coming out of this way, what have you got?
AUDIENCE: 6 DR. KINLEY: You got'a 6. Turn it up the other way. . . AUDIENCE: 9
DR. KINLEY: then you got a 9. Revelations 3:18. Now there it is. Now do you see where it come from? Now when Joshua took the children of Israel on across back over the River of Jordan, He took that staff, that rod, He laid it in the Ark of the Covenant. He took the golden pot that had the manna, and the commandments was laid in there, and carried 'em on across. What He doing that for? Didn't the manna come from heaven? Didn't it say that He would rule all nations with a rod of Iron? Didn't He say I am that bread which came down from heaven? He's just carrying it back to where it come from. They didn't know where it come from. Now, get the 6, read Revelations 3:18.
READER: 13:18 DR. KINLEY: (Repeats) READER: Here is wisdom DR. KINLEY: Here's wisdom. Now here it is. READER: let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast... DR. KINLEY: (Repeats) READER: for it is the number of a man. . . DR. KINLEY: (Repeats) READER: and his number. . . DR. KINLEY: (Repeats) READER: is six hundred. . . DR. KINLEY: (Repeats) READER: three score. . . DR. KINLEY: (Repeats) READER: and six. . .
DR. KINLEY: And six. 6 6 6, that's the number of a man. Now look, there it is right here on the chart. That's that man or that satanic spirit that was cast out of heaven on down to the earth, and his number is 6 6 6. Adam was of the earth, earthly, so now he's cast out of the earth and his number is 6 6 6. The Roman Catholic Church... if you take Vicarius Filii Dei, that's Latin. Then if you put it down like this: V = 5, 1 = 1, C stands for 100, and so forth and so on down. And Vicarius, that's one word, Filii is another, Dei is another, and add up and you have six hundred and sixty-six.  Now I brought that up on this account. The Roman Catholic Church and Judaism, and also Protestantism, that's all they're doing. They ain't doing a thing but just denying that Yahshua the Messiah come in the world and fulfilled all them carnal ordinances and moved 'em out of the way so you could walk after the spirit. They ain't doing nothing but following the Devil to the reestablishment of carnal ordinances. I showed to you, and read it to you, that it was the will of the Father that He taketh away the first that He might establish the second. There is no carnal ordinances in this dispensation and age. We're circumcised with the circumcision made without hands, wherein also we are buried with Him by baptism into His death. And wherein also we are risen with Him through the operation of the Holy Spirit. There's nothing natural in this dispensation. And Yahweh is carrying out His Promise just like He promised to do. Say folks, did you ever stop to think that whenever Yahweh say something, IF YOU BELIEVE IN WHAT HE SAYS, IT'S THAT. Obedience is better than any sacrifices you could ever offer. If you just believe that Yahweh will carry out His promise as He has said He'll do it, THERE'S NOT ENOUGH DEVILS IN HELL TO KEEP YOU FROM BEING SAVED. I don't care if you haven't been baptized, circumcised, or had something to eat or what. I'm just giving it to you straight!
Now, now listen folks, in conclusion, I wanna bring it right down so you can see what I'm talking about. This is a great big mystery! I did not write that Bible like it is. And everything I said here tonight - and you can't read, you and nobody else can never read where no carnal ordinances were ever imposed on no Gentiles. Yahweh brought 'em in by faith according to the way He made the promise to Abraham, and it's by faith that we walk. The Jews too, he doesn't practice carnal ordinances not in this dispensation. Yahshua the Messiah told 'em Himself that He had come to fulfill and move 'em out of the way. Now listen folks, go over to Luke 24&25, I do believe, and read there. I want you to see what's going on, and I got a question or so I wanna ask you. Now He said He come to fulfill. Is that right? And if He come to institute, I wanna know why He didn't tell 'em so. Read it.
READER: And He said unto them. . . DR. KINLEY: (Repeats) READER: these are the words which I spake unto you while I was yet with you.
DR. KINLEY: Now you see I could go over in the 16th chapter of Matthew and show you the words. He said, "Now these are the words which I spake unto you while I was yet with you." Well look, ain't He right there with them now? See now that's why we can't see. He done resurrected from the dead, standing right there talking to them. He said these are the words that I spake unto you while I was yet with you. Aren't you with me now? Our little carnal mind won't let us see that. Naw, He wasn't in the flesh then. He wasn't with them that way. But those were the words that He spake while He was yet with them. Read.
READER: These are the words that I spake unto you while I was yet with you, that all things must be fulfilled. . .
DR. KINLEY: Now this, this up here, that all things must be fulfilled. Did you understand that? Nothing instituted! All things must be fulfilled, not instituted. All right, read on.
READER: that all things must be fulfilled which were written in the law of Moses. . . DR. KINLEY: which were written in the law of Moses READER: and in the prophets. . . DR. KINLEY: (Repeats) READER: and in the Psalms. . . DR. KINLEY: (Repeats) READER: concerning me. . . DR. KINLEY: (Repeats) Read on READER: Then opened, then opened He. . . DR. KINLEY: Now just a minute. Now here's where our problems are. Read. READER: then opened He their understanding. . .
DR. KINLEY: Now here they are, they done followed Him all around over the Palestinian and Judean Hills for three and a half years, and they didn't know what He was doing. They didn't know what He was doing. They didn't know, and yet in still He was telling 'em. When He was washing the disciples feet He said He said, "You don't know what I'm doing." You mean to tell me that you don't know what I'm doing, and I'm looking at you and you're washing feet! "You'll never wash my feet." Ain't that what Peter said? He said ye shall know hereafter. They didn't know that that was the word of Yahweh washing their feet, which was the washing of regeneration which the Holy Spirit --- ----. They didn't see that, they didn't realize it. And all things that was written in the law of Moses and in the prophets had to be fulfilled. Now here's what I wanna ask you. If He was instituting something back there... Now remember, He died out there on the cross. See He's done resurrected from the dead there. He died out on the cross. Listen now, they took Him down off the cross and laid Him in the grave, translated in Hebrew, "Shoel" and in English, "Hell." Now then He died, went to hell, preached deliverance to the captives in distress. Now if He was instituting Lord supper, and if He's instituting Christian baptism, why in the hell didn't He tell 'em when He was walking around on the --- --- --- --- ---? Now to prove it to you that what He told 'em on earth, and what He told the captives in distress in the bondage of death, after His resurrection, many of 'em that slept in the dust of the earth rose on and went on into Jerusalem, Matthew 27:52. What He was doing was ful... Say folks that was Yahweh, our heavenly Father, incarnated a physical body walking around in His own creation. He knew what He was doing! It's us with our little old carnal mind we don't understand the purpose of Yahweh, and we're trying to work out our own soul salvation. See we just don't understand the purpose of Yahweh. Yahweh's doing the whole job for us, and now that's what we've got to believe. You can't save yourself! Yes when He was hanging out on the cross they said to Him, "Well you've saved others except for yourself you can't save." He couldn't. Reason why He couldn't, cause He come into the world to die, and that's why He's hanging out there on the cross. YES HE COULD SAVE OTHERS, BUT HE COULDN'T SAVE HIMSELF, CAUSE THAT'S WHAT HE COME INTO THE WORLD TO DO, IS TO DIE TO RESTORE MANKIND. Now do you understand? Now if you study over what I have said to you thus far, you'll find it just exactly like I told you.
MINISTER: The other day when I was here I, uh, . . . STUDENT: Please speak up please, we can't even hear in the back of the hall.
MINISTER: All right. I got the... uh, it was mentioned here about the resurrection, and it was explained to me about two days, and I'm concerned about it. Can you explain to me them two days, and the explanation of it?
DR. KINLEY: Well see, there's a mystery in here. You do not calculate with Yahweh, time, as you do with man. Now let's, let's make that a little bit more clear. Now He told Adam, over there in the garden, the day that he eat of the fruit of the tree he would surely die. And Adam partaken of the fruit of the tree; HE DID DIE IN HIS CONSCIENCE THAT DAY, but he lived 930 years. Now if we're gonna take that on the same basis of time about the resurrection and so forth and so on... Remember that this is the Lord hanging out there on the cross; remember that, don't forget that. And you count 12 hours in the day, 12 hours spent with man, 12 or 24 hours which. . .
DR. GILL: Three more minutes.
DR. KINLEY: Three more minutes. Now then, but it was not with the man, it was with Yahweh. The man lived 930 years. If it was gonna be like we would say, "The day that he ate of the fruit of the tree," and count twelve hours, that man would have died and went to the cemetery that same day, but now it wasn't like that. Now the day that's He's crucified out there, that was definitely a day known only to Yahweh. Mankind just didn't understand it anymore so than he understood that back there.
MINISTER: I, I, I hear you.
DR. KINLEY: Well that's just the way it is because that is the Lord and it's known only to Him! See, and if it were me, and count like I count, then I would say He's been dead back there 3 days, and carry it that way. But that's not the way it is, because that's Him. And then Zechariah said this... And then, here's another thing too. Over there in Amos, I believe it's the 8th chapter, it says "The sun went on down at noon day." And Ambassador College said that Yahshua the Messiah or Jesus Christ raised from the dead Sabbath afternoon. I got a question to ask you. Did you ever see the sun rise in the afternoon of any day? See it don't make no sense.
Say listen, if you'd give me just one more minute I wanna bring this one out cause it definitely is important. It's one of the most important things that I could say during your lifetime, and that's this: Now there are people that don't believe that Yahshua the Messiah died and resurrected from the dead. They don't believe it, a lot of people. But now in the first chapter of Romans and the 18th verse, It says "For the invisible things of Him from the creation of the earth are understood by the things that are made, even His eternal power and Godhead so that they are without excuse." Is that right?
DR. KINLEY: Now look here, listen at what I'm gone say to you. Now this son, Adam, the 3rd chapter of Luke and the last verse says Adam was the son of Yahweh. When Adam was driven out of the garden, that sun in the ethereal heavens, and this son was driven out; they came down together. Now then, Yahshua the Messiah was crucified out here. He's the Son of Yahweh, and the sun in the ethereal heavens went on down at noonday. Now this wouldn't be hours like we would calculate. You see what I'm talking about? And darkness was upon the face of the deep from the 6th to the 9th hour; and the darkness He called night, and the light He called day, so it's a day with Him known only to Yahweh, but not as we would count it in our little old carnal mind. And He says there in Matthew 12:40, He said this: "As Jonah was three days in the belly of the fish, even shall the Son of Man be three days and three nights in the belly of the fish, or the heart of the earth." Now look, when He took Jonah and threw him overboard, that fish it instantaneously caught him, swallowed him up! And he was in the belly of that fish until that 3rd day. He was obscured from the sun or anything, in the belly of that fish, and then he spit him out on dry land. And He was in the heart of the earth just like Jonah was in the belly of the fish. So far as counting hours and days and time like we would count it, with Yahweh, no, it is not like that. That was Him; that was Yahweh in that body that hung out there on the cross. So He was in there being crucified on a Friday, and then He laid in the grave. What is He laying out there in the grave for, to remove the Sabbath. And then very early upon the first day of the week (now that's the 3rd day), He rose from the dead. Now they went down together, and they come up together. Now here's what I wanna say to you. Here this morning to bring the thing up to date! This morning the sun rose out there! And it rose and it reached its zenith straight overhead! I mean today, everyday! And it went on down, which we call sunset. So He arose from the dead, ascended on into heaven and sit down, that's sundown, at the right hand of the Father! I mean today!
See how it works? Yes it's wonderful. See all we need... We don't wanna fight nobody, we just try and make people understand. I wouldn't have known either unless Yahweh showed me. I went to the 6th grade of elementary school. I called myself the champ of the idiots, I don't know no better than to believe Yahweh. So then He moved the law out, all the carnal ordinances that we might walk in the Spirit... This is a spiritual age and dispensation of time, nothing natural in it. Now then not only that, but folks flesh and blood, (in the Kingdom, we're in the Kingdom, been translated up into the Kingdom), but now flesh and blood just doesn't inherit the Kingdom. Ain't nobody in this building in the Kingdom as no physical man, in the Kingdom. But it is the Holy Spirit that's up in the Kingdom and Yahshua the Messiah. It's the spiritual Kingdom. Thank you ever so much and good night.