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Lecture given by Dr. Kinley on December 18, 1974 at the Bakers Union Hall in Los Angeles, California.

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DR. KINLEY: . . . in such a way that you can understand it, but there's always gonna be misunderstandings. Now what we have tried to get over to you here right recently is that you're living in the end of this probationary period. Now if you have any intentions at all of being saved, you must go where the truth is taught, see. Now you just can't do your way about it you have to do Yahweh's way, and if not, then you're just gonna be lost. Now that's plain, simple, and easy to be understood language.

Now we have in these last prophetic seconds of this probationary period, (you notice I didn't say age), all kinds of erroneous teachings, some outstanding ignorance and superstitions and traditions and customs. All of it derived from those Satanic spirits that were in heaven and was cast out to the earth. Now you're being warned all the time about it, and they are responsible for the erroneous teaching that's going on. They were created for that purpose, they were ordained, (so says Jude) for that purpose. Yahweh made 'em that way, there is no conversion for 'em, now I guess you understand that. Now it behooves you, since you are living and breathing and walking around with the right mind, and all those kind of things, to kinda look around and find out some things for sure. Now you can tell that this Bible is not understood. Now here's how you can tell it. You see, first of all, is because there is so many secular denominations disagreeing with one another. Right?

AUDIENCE: Right

DR. KINLEY: And since that is true, then you know there's something wrong. Them people can put their hand or their finger right on a passage in the Bible and read... Now it's not our contentions down here that the people can't read, but suppose you look at Matthew 24:15 -- now I didn't say this.

READER: When you therefore shall see the abomination of desolation spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the Holy Place. Whoso readeth let him understand.

DR. KINLEY: Now do you understand that? "Now when you therefore see the abomination of desolation spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the Holy Place." It didn't say set down now! I'd like to make that clear too. See in the Holy Place here, you had the golden candlestick, the table of shewbread, and the altar of, golden altar of incense. There is no seat in there for nobody to set on. The throne is in the Most Holy Place, that's where the seat is -- so you stand up in here. Now that would be correlated with the, the wilderness here, you understand. Now they were on a journey to Canaan's land, see, on the move. They could have made that trip from Egypt to, back into Canaan's land in forty days, but for their disobedience it took forty years, (one day for a year, that's prophetic time). Now if they were going to make it in forty days, (603,550 people, that's a great multitude), why then they wouldn't have no time to be loafing around and sitting around, you understand. They had a leader too. And you'd be surprised that here this year Ambassador College up there in Pasadena, Armstrong, Ted Garner Armstrong and his father had a fifty-two million dollar a year income. And Ted Garner said this year, that neither his father or he knew that Jesus was back here with Moses. He didn't know that. And he read around in the Bible and picked up verses and chapters to prove that He was back there. Now did you know where he got it from?

Now here is a man here, Revern' Sun Myon Moon from Korea, he claims to have had a vision and a revelation. I got some more literature at the house to about this. And I make it my business to see to it that I pick up all of these things and bring 'em down here to school and show you, and show you how they make a lot of mistakes. Now here on this side you have... A lot of you have probably gotten some of these. He's gone be here on the 23rd of this month. Now this is an excerpt that was taken from one of his lectures. Now some of you have read this the possibilities are. Now he hasn't said nothing, not a thing, other than talk, he just talked about God. Getting God back in the church, and getting God back in the, uh, your home, getting God, uh, uh, see, all that kind of talk don't mean a thing! Don't mean nothing! "God's hope for America," that's even stupid, you know, "God's hope for America." He's engineering the thing, now why should he have a hope for America? He said He was gonna do all of His pleasure. See? You follow? And the Devil is no obstruction and no hindrance at all, rather he's an asset rather than a liability, you see. But now all them kind of things, they take people's attention, see.

Now I'll have to, (I just simply have to do it), is to tell you about these things. I don't have no out or alternative for it. See? And I must show you in such a way that you can tell something about it. Now if I can't do that then Yahweh didn't send me! See that now? Now there isn't anybody in this place as of now but what can't learn something about the truth. I mean for sure! No more guess work! Now if Yahweh hadn't of fixed it that way, then He wouldn't of been justified in sending you to the Lake.

Now, the order of service on a Wednesday, we have kind of dedicated it, Wednesday, to this one particular thing. Now if you don't know, see we try to give you a lecture and then give you a break to ask questions. Now we are sure there's a lot of things that you don't know, now we are sure about that! Cause Yahweh's eternal purpose is infinite or unlimited and you will be learning in the age to come, so you're not gonna get over capacitated with intelligence, I can promise you that. See?

Now look Yahshua the Messiah had along with Him a man by the name of Judas,see and He knew who it was from the very beginning that was going to betray Him. Now He had no other alternative other than to choose Judas. He had to do that! And Judas had to do what he done that the scriptures might be fulfilled. And Yahshua the Messiah has to do what He did in order that the scriptures might be fulfilled. You see? Now right recently, I think I should tell you about this, we've had some complaints, not in California now so I don't want you to try.. (I'm saying that so you can blow it on out of your mind now! No, it ain't in California), about teaching the same thing all the time, about the * hearing the same old routine the same old thing all the time. It come from one of our schools -- that's as much as I'm gonna tell you about it. And I wanna talk about that, tonight. Now that's stupid too, to make a statement like that. Now here Yahweh say He doesn't change, and here you wanna change something up because the folks are getting tired of hearing you say the same old thing. "I don't wanna go down to that school because all they gonna talk about is that Migratory Pattern or Trek from Egypt to Palestine, to Canaan's land, how they got down there. God Made a promise to Abraham, and how that first they had to come down here and then come back up." And a lot of people haven't even got that learned, see. But now they're tired of repetition so they say, they wanna get into something new. Now when you get into something new and get away from repetitions or repeating, then you are headed for the lake, that's exactly what you're headed for. That's right. It functions the same way all the time. Now look Freddie, see you're sitting there breathing aren't you? Now when you stop breathing -- you know what the rest of the story is. Now when you get tired of breathing on the count of repetition... [Audience Laughs] I'm just trying.., see I try to make things simple and easy for people to understand so it won't be no necessity of you stumbling and blundering around, see. See you don't even have to think in order to breathe, if you did, then you just might forget and find yourself dead. Now breathing is an involuntary function, your heartbeat is an involuntary function. Now there is a voluntary, voluntary function that's left up to you, and you don't do to well with them. Want me to tell you something about that?

AUDIENCE: Yes. Yeah.

DR. KINLEY: Well now a voluntary function is something that you have some control over and you can, you can execute or you can do yourself. See? Now you'll go and sit down and eat. Right?

AUDIENCE: Right.

DR. KINLEY: That's a voluntary thing. And then after you eat there's something else got to take place,you see, and if you don't go and take care of that.

AUDIENCE: [LAUGHTER]

DR. KINLEY: See what I mean? Then you gone have to send for the doctor or go to the drug store and get you something to take -- you got constipation! Well that's right! Some people are just lazy, they won't do that that's necessary. Now that might sound kind of stupid to you. Say "Well I thought that man was gonna talk something about God, and joining church, uh getting rid of sin and all lika that." You'd be surprised, see, you'd be surprised. And then somebody'll come along and say this. "What's he always knocking some of the rest of these churches for? You see. Every time we turn around he's talking about the Roman Catholics, or the Protestants, or the Orthodox, or the Jews or somebody else, he must think he's the only person in the world that's right." I've heard all of that. And somebody say, "Well why don't he stick to what's in the Bible and go on and preach what's in the Bible and what's in the book." Now if I stood up here and told you what was in the book, you see, you follow, and you.., wasn't explaining it to you, see you'd be just as bad off as you was in the first place. Somebody say "Oh no I believe the Bible is right, I believe every word of it, King James Version of it." Then if you do you're stupid cause there's some words in there that just simply ought not to be there. In other words let me say this to you. See there is interpolations, admitted interpolations. Now an interpolation is a spurious phrase, and then there is mistranslations. See? Now if you're gonna go along and believe everything you read in the Bible and you get hung up on one of them things, you see, well the average person because they don't know the purpose and how to fit it together, they get hung up on it see. And then if you put it to him then he thinks, say "Well".. He ain't got no explanation for it! You want me to give you one of them things? Go 'head and give him one doc.

DR. ROBERT HARRIS: Exodus 24:9&10. “Then went up Moses, Aaron, Nadab, and Abihu and seventy of the elders of Israel and they saw the God of Israel. Then John 1:18 says "No man has seen God at any time."

DR. KINLEY: Now how do you fix that? Do you see? Now you can't believe both of 'em without being just down right stupid. You can't believe that they saw the God of Israel and then there's no man has seen Him at any time. Now you just got to believe one thing or the other or else you don't know. And for the most part the folks don't even know. See? You read over that all the time before you come here, before anybody said anything to you about it, see. And the way you did that you just galloped on. You didn't, you didn't even know that it was any difference in it at all. There's a lot of things you didn't know. For example, the God of Israel is wrong, You see, and you didn't know that either. Somebody come along and say "Well I don't believe in God." Oh what a pity. Then when you found out about it, then it just wasn't as bad as you thought it was. Now say,"Oh I believe in Jesus." Well that's bad too, but you see you don't know those things.

Now the simplicity of this teaching, see is the thing that counts. I believe it's the 10th Chapter of Romans, (and I know what verse it is), and we'd like to get some sense out of it so it ----. But one of the verses says "So then faith comes by hearing."Go on up above there and get the subject. The 10th Chapter of Romans.

READER: Starting at the 13th verse. For whosoever shall call upon the name of Yahweh shall be delivered. How then shall they call on Him in whom they have not believed. . .

DR. KINLEY: Now how shall they call on Him whom they have not believed. See? Read. READER: and how shall they believe in Him of whom they have not heard?. . . DR. KINLEY: Now listen, did you hear anything about Yahweh before you come here? AUDIENCE: No! No!

DR. KINLEY: I wanna know now! Stand up now I wanna see you! And most everybody here come from some church or organization. Now you see how important this is? How can you believe on Him in whom you have not heard you see? Well some somebody say "Well I belong to this, that, and the other church." Well you never heard nothing about Yahweh, see if you did I've asked you to stand up, before you come here. Then somebody wants to say "Well I'm saved." See? "I know I'm right." And this business of just going on your way, you see, that ain't gone work. Yahshua the Messiah said "I am the way" And listen, "No man goeth unto the Father but by Me." Now that's the only way, that's the only way you can make it. And not only that.., now are you listening? Mickey you listening? He say he's listening. Yahshua the Messiah said didn't no man know the Father but the Son,(How about that?), and to whomsoever the Son will reveal Him. That's in the book. "How shall they believe on Him whom they have not heard?" Read.

READER: And how shall they hear without a preacher?

DR. KINLEY: And oh, said “Our preacher told us all about that.” And so many people have come here from one time to the other and said, "Yes, our preacher preaches the same way, uh, the thing you all preaches down there." Now you know what that spells, that means you don't know what he's preaching over there! That's right. You don't know what he's preaching. Said "How long you been over there?" "Oh I've been over there for fifteen or twenty, or twenty-five, or thirty years. All of my people was born, uh raised in that church so as to speak. All of my ancestors and progenitors was raised in there. And if they can die and go to heaven there, out of that, I can too. I'm satisfied in my religion!" See there? Now we've heard that, and that's what they have told us. Now I can't get nobody to stand up, if, if there is, I haven't seen 'em, that they were told about Yahweh before they come here. I know David know something about it but I'm not talking about that. But I'm just, I’m just calling the shots like this, see. As a general thing, and from you reading around in the Bible and from your teachers teaching you, you didn't hear nothing about Yahweh until you come here. See? Then said, "How are you gonna hear without a preacher?" You see, And now here you are down here see, from some other church, and they never told you nothing about Yahweh, and yet in still you think that he was preaching and teaching to you the same thing over there that we're teaching down here, now that just can't make, that don't make no kind of sense. See? Now there's something else important about that too which we're gonna get into. All right read.

READER: And how shall they preach except they be sent. . .

DR. KINLEY: Now how is he going to preach except he be sent? How's he gonna do it? They're all sent, either by Yahweh or by the Devil. All right read.

READER: As it is written, how beautiful are the feet. . .

DR. KINLEY: "As it is written!" That's another thing you never paid no attention to till you come down here, you never paid no attention to it. "As it is written," and you read right on, you didn't know where it was written, didn't know a thing about it, never even paid no attention to it, read right on over it. See and we had to stop you and said now, for example, now suppose I say,where is that written? Paul say "It is written." See? And most of us would have to use a concordance or something other like that to find out where it was written, we don't know who said it. See? "How beautiful are the feet of them." All right read on.

READER: As it is written, how beautiful are the feet of them that preach the glad tidings of peace. . . DR. KINLEY: All right read on. READER: and bring glad tidings of good thing. But they have not all obeyed the Evangel . . .

DR. KINLEY: Now, but now they have not all obeyed the Evangel, or obeyed what you call the Gospel -- they haven't obeyed, you see! Now you can stand up here and tell people what thus saith Yahweh and they are not going to obey it, all of 'em. And somebody go around here and say "Well how you know that?" Well they didn't obey Yahshua, they didn't obey Yahweh, they didn't obey the Holy Spirit, if they did, there wouldn't be any of 'em lost! See, read.

READER: For Isaiah said. . . DR. KINLEY: For now.. Now you see who said it. For Isaiah said whatever he's going to read there. Read. READER: Yahweh who hath believed our report?. . .

DR. KINLEY: Yahweh has said, who has believed our report? Now listen here folks, now just listen. Out there in Christendom, like this junk you got here, see, you can't believe that! You can't believe Billy Graham to save your life! Question, why not? Cause he can't prove nothing he says. He don't know himself to prove it. And even went so far as to make this kind of a statement. He said "He believed that there was a God but he couldn't prove it" -- Billy Graham that great evangelist! Is that right Doc? Is that right? Now if you knew, you see and if he was preaching the right thing, you see, you understand, and he believed what he was preaching and had a knowledge of it to preach to the people, you're gone believe my report! Cause I'm gone slap your sassy face time and time again until you get it in your head what I'm talking about. I'm not gone let you go 'round stupid like that, and if I did, then I wouldn't know. See? How 'bout that? I've had 'em to come to school here and say all kinds of things. I know he won't mind if I said it. Bishop Short said when he come here, He said "I'm from Missouri, you got to show me." Did you say that Bishop?

BISHOP SHORT: Sure did.

DR. KINLEY: That's what he said. I said that it was his right too. Yes, sir. That's been some time ago. (Laughs). Yeah that's been some time ago. And we have some others here see, Dr. Williams out of the Church of Christ. We had a bargain going, that if he could prove to me that what they were preaching over in the Church of Christ was right, then the whole, (look I even had this much nerve), said well the whole audience will go over and we'll all come over to your place. See, and we had a bargain going that if, then if I could show him that what we was teaching over here, he and all the rest of 'em over there was suppose to come over here. Well he come but they didn't. And he's been around here somewhere around eleven years or something like that, you see. You follow? All right read on Dr. Harris.

READER: So then faith cometh by hearing. . .

DR. KINLEY: Now so then, this is important, faith then cometh by hearing. See? Now Isaiah wants to know who, Yahweh who’s believed our report? Now if he didn't report the thing straight then they couldn't believe it see. You follow? But he told 'em what Yahweh said -- he didn't say I said so and so, he told 'em what Yahweh said. Then he asked Yahweh who believed his report. Right? Okay read on Doc. So then, now pay attention now, cause this is the part I'm after. Now this is my job,see. Take Billy Graham, anybody, I don't care who you are and where you come from! You could be an angel just drop down from heaven or direct out of hell, it's the same thing. See? And I'm gonna whip you into humble submission. Somebody said "Me?" Yes you! Said "You don't know me I'm hard headed." Yes but this club for you is just as hard as your head. You see He rule all Nations with a Rod of Iron. That's right. Said "Well you don't know me." Yes I do. (laughs). See what I mean? Sure I know you! All right! So then faith comes by hearing and that by the word of Yahweh. Read on.

READER: But I say have they not heard?. . . DR. KINLEY: (Repeats) READER: Yes verily. . . DR. KINLEY: (Repeats) READER: Their sound went into all the earth DR. KINLEY: (Repeats) READER: and their words unto the ends of the world

DR. KINLEY: And their words to the ends of the world. You remember Yahshua the Messiah said to go into all the world and preach the Gospel to every creature?

STUDENTS: Yes

DR. KINLEY: Then there's all the planets and everything else up there just preaching together, see. Look at the 19th Division of Psalms and the first verse, see if the creation ain’t out there to preach to you. Then while you're on that then run over to St. John, (St John). A saint is one ordained or Canonized in the Roman Catholic Church. Now John, there wasn't no Roman Catholic Church when he was.. You see there? All right.

READER: The heavens declare the glory of El. . . DR. KINLEY: Now look! "The heavens declare the glory of El" READER: and the firmament showeth His handy work. . . DR. KINLEY: (Repeats) READER: day unto day uttereth speech. . . DR. KINLEY: (Repeats) READER: and night unto night showeth knowledge DR. KINLEY: (Repeats) READER: There is no speech nor language. . . DR. KINLEY: There is no speech READER: nor language. . . DR. KINLEY: (Repeats) READER: where their voice is not heard. . . DR. KINLEY: (Repeats) READER: yet their message is gone out through all the earth. . . DR. KINLEY: (Repeats) READER: and their story to the end of the world. . . DR. KINLEY: (Repeats). Read on. READER: in them has He set a Tabernacle for the Sun. . . DR. KINLEY: (Repeats). Read READER: which is as a bridegroom coming out of his chamber. . . DR. KINLEY: (Repeats) READER: and rejoiceth as a strong man to run a race. . . DR. KINLEY: (Repeats). Read on doc. READER: His going forth is from the end of the heaven. . . DR. KINLEY: See His going forth is from the ends of heaven. . . READER: and His circuit unto the ends of it. . . DR. KINLEY: (Repeats) READER: and there is nothing hid from the heat thereof. . . DR. KINLEY: (Repeats) READER: The Law of Yahweh is perfect. . . DR. KINLEY: The.., listen, the Law of Yahweh is perfect! READER: Converting the soul. . . .

DR. KINLEY: What! um um, something's wrong. See, you didn't understand the Law. The Law is perfect Converting the soul! Right? Read.

READER: The Testimony of Yahweh is sure. . . DR. KINLEY: The Testimony of Yahweh is a sure shot! See? Now somebody ain't been testifying right. All right read on. READER: Making wise the simple. . . DR. KINLEY: Now making wise the stupid and the simple. See? What else there? READER: The statutes of Yahweh are right. . . DR. KINLEY: The statutes of Yahweh, they're right folks! They're not wrong! OK! READER: rejoicing the heart. . . DR. KINLEY: (Repeats) READER: The commandment of Yahweh is pure. . . DR. KINLEY: (Repeats) READER: enlightening the eye

DR. KINLEY: Enlightening the eye. Now I got a question. Now we've been bearing down on it right here right recently. Now I wanna show you the simplicity of it, what we just talked about. Go back doc to the first verse there.

READER: The heavens declare. . . DR. KINLEY: (Repeats) READER: the glory of El. . . DR. KINLEY: (Repeats) READER: and the firmament showeth His handy work. . . DR. KINLEY: All right read on. READER: Day unto day uttereth speech. . .

DR. KINLEY: Now there isn't anybody in here, nobody in this building that have reached the age of accountability, (that is to say that knows the sun), you, you're not here. Everybody in the building seen the sun rise, seen the sun set, even today. Now that's up to date. Do you wanna argue about that? Now look! If the sun rises out here, let me ask you a question. Why does it rise? Why does it ascend to it's zenith or straight up and down overhead? And why does it set -- that's it's circuit,see. There isn't anybody in here that hasn't seen that! See there? But to know why it did it like that, now that's a different story. Now what we have did right recently, (now we wrote it in the book a long time ago). And this chart here, this chart here has been made ever since nineteen hundred and thirty-two [1932], that's the same chart. It's the same one. See a sunset here. The sun, I mean the sun in the ethereal heavens that you can see the same sun out there now, and you can look at it rise, then it ascends or it reaches it's zenith in the sky and then it goes on down, that's the circuit I'm talking about. Is that right? Somebody says "Well, said the earth, the sun don't rise and set." I beg your pardon, it does operate in its orbit. Said "The earth moves around the sun." That's so too, just as so as it can be. And did you know when the Son was laying out there in Joseph's new tomb and the earth was shaking all around, and it was some shaking going on around here too, around Mt Sinai, see, moving around the son. That's right. Now see there's nobody in here that hasn't seen the sun rise and the sun set, nobody! You follow? Now listen, you read over there in Genesis that Yahweh waited till the cool of the day to drive Adam out of the, to send that angel and drive Adam out of that Garden. Is that right? When the sun in the ethereal heaven was going down. See? Now faith comes by hearing -- you got to hear it first,you see. Now we're getting up on you now see, comes right up on you. Don't make no difference how stupid you are you've seen it. Is that right? Say "Well you don't understand, I'm Black." I don't care how black or how white, or green or blue or yellow or whatever it is, you've seen it.

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. . .sacrifice, see had to be offered up there see. And that priest went in that sanctuary every day in the year, just like the sun rose and set every day in the year! Now you say you're tired of repetition or repeating! You see, you follow? You sick and tired of it. Now if everybody on earth, three and a half or about three and a quarter or three and a half billion people on earth -- if all of 'em would get down and call themselves praying that the sun rise in the North and set in the South it wouldn't happen. Keep right on rising, sun rising and setting, the same thing. See there? Now you can say "I'm Rabbi so and so!" That don't make no difference. Say "I'm Revern' so and so." It don't make no difference, you see, you follow, it don't make a bit of difference. Now we, we've put that in the book about the sun rise and setting. And a lot of people that belong in this school they haven't never read the book. And a some of 'em that have read it didn't understand it. I tell you, see. Now we're after facts folks, the sun rise and the sun set. Now read Romans 1:19-20, that's our theme song. And while somebody goes over there, then somebody get the 3rd Chapter of John in Nicodemus' case. Now he was a ruler of the Jews, he wasn't no peasant you might say. He was a ruler, he was a big shot, Sanhedrin Council, went out there to see Yahshua by night. See? You know I get troubled sometimes, sure enough troubled with folks in this school. I do my level best all the time to try to bring you the reality of things. I do do that very much. Now listen folks, now just like Yahshua the Messiah come down here into Egypt, I'm talking about after He come through the loins of the woman, come down here into Egypt, see then went back up at about twelve years old. Now, He was down here before. I just told you that Ambassador College, Ted Armstrong them, they didn't know that. They get fifty-three million dollars a year and I can't hardly get fifty-three dollars a.., well, it isn't expedient for me to get it no how. See I don't preach them little old cheap sermons that they preach. See somebody with their mouth all out, see his salary is $250.00 a week, and the cost of living see, needs a raise in his salary -- he needs a resurrection, that's what he needs. All right let's, let's move on.

Now look, now we're gone stay right on this. We're gone make you see what we're talking about. Now you're not gonna sit around here and not get converted. See if you pay attention, I, I'll assure you that you will get converted.. Somebody said to me "Look now fellow, I had the Holy Ghost before ever I ever seen you, or ever thought about you." Well why didn't you.., I didn't see nobody get up when I asked them about what they heard about Yahweh before they come here, I didn't see nobody get up -- did you? Now if I happen to overlook you and miss you, stand up now so we can see you in person. You see anybody back there David? I'm standing up I don't see anything, and I can just go and sit down so you won't think I was standing, (Laughs) so you won't get me mixed up with it. All right, now look and read.

READER: Romans 1:19 and 20. . .

DR. KINLEY: Now Romans 1:19 & 20. Now I want you to see what's happening! I want you to understand what's happening! And when you understand it and the reality of it, you can't fix it! There's nothing else that you can do but accept it! How 'bout that? I don't care a thing about your education! You can have as many degrees pinned on behind your name as you can have see, and it won't help. I gotta whole lot of 'em pinned on behind mine, they don't mean a thing. And I never merited the first one because I only went to the 6th grade of elementary school. And you know they don't give no Ph.d's in no elementary school, no Master of Arts, and Bachelor of Arts, and nothing like that, you know better than that. How 'bout that? See what they give me was a failure see, in my grade cards. That's right. Said "You come back next year." I said Naw, I'd rather go on and go to work. I didn't get no where. (Laughs). That's what I did too. Now when I tell folks that, they say "No, um um, you can't talk like you talk, use and handle all that heavy material, them heavy words -- lexicography, and ethymology see, eschatology and all them different things. See? Anthropomorphism, see and all that kind of carrying on ----------. Why don't you just come on out and tell the people where you went to school at? You try to hide it so that that somebody will think that you got a revelation." And then them folks knew me too from a child on up, stand around and talk to me like that. And they're very ones that knew I didn't go to school. All right read.

READER: Because that which may be known of Yahweh. . .

DR. KINLEY: Now look here! Now it's possible for you to know. Now listen, this is what you gonna have to do, see you're gonna have to know something before you can be saved. You can't go around guessing and speculating with anything. You can't be saved like that. Somebody stuck their finger in their ear and got it right.. "I imagine!" No, imagination won't get it! Revern' said "I believe!" That, that won't get it. It won't get it. We believed a whole lot of things that wasn't so. All right.

READER: Because that which may be known of Yahweh. . .

DR. KINLEY: Now you see, you got to know it. Now don't forget now about what we was talking about, I wanna, I want to keep you on the subject. See, I don't want you to get off the subject. Now what I, what we... What was we talking about? We were talking about the sun rising and setting. Is that right? And we also decreed that there wasn't anybody in here that hadn't seen the sun rise and sun set. How 'bout that? We didn't ask you what church you belong to or where you come from or about your clan or nationality or nothing.. We ain't said a thing to you about it, we don't care nothing about it. We're not interested in it. And we don't have to go 'round preaching white supremacy or black supremacy, we don't have to go around doing that, you see. All right read.

READER: Because that which may be known of Yahweh. . . DR. KINLEY: (Repeats) READER: is manifest in them. . .

DR. KINLEY: Is manifested right in you. You've got all the evidence of the existence of Yahweh hanging right on y-o-u, male or female. Just like the sun is out there in the sky, just like you're made up there, see. You've got the evidence hung on you. Now listen folks, every man has got that, every woman has got it. Yahweh put it there, put it there so that you wouldn't have no excuse for stupidity and colossal ignorance and blundering and stumbling around. You follow? You see that? All right read.

READER: For Yahweh hath showed it unto them. . .

DR. KINLEY: Now listen! Yahweh has... Did you ever see the sun rise out there in the East? Did you ever see it? I want an answer!

AUDIENCE: Yes! Yes, sir!

DR. KINLEY: See He showed it to you too. Now this is bearing down on it now. This is getting around to where you live, see. Alright Yahweh is showed it to 'em. And if you haven't seen it, see, all you have to do is get up in the morning and take a look for yourself. See, that's the way it is. All right, but Yahweh has showed it unto them -- He showed it unto these people back here. All right read on

READER: For the invisible things of Him. . .

DR. KINLEY: Now listen! "For the..." Listen, now spirit, see... Now we got some folks that say this. "I don't believe in nothing I can't see. I don't believe in a thing I can't see." Well now look, you've looked right at the sun all this, all this time, you've seen that. You can look at somebody else and see another man or another woman, you can look at that,you see, so what's your excuse? How 'bout that? What's your excuse? Now a lot of people think they're gonna do this. They think they're gonna run up in Yahweh's face in the judgment, see, "Well Lord I didn’t know, if I had known you were coming I'd of baked the cake." No, I'm just trying to tell you this, I'm just trying to tell you this. Now all that, that not gonna work!! That's not gonna work.

This stuff this man's putting down here, that's not gonna work! Now one person come here and set right in that second row. We try to keep that one kind of cleaned up there see, and we want the new people, see, get up here close where they can see. And one of those person's said "Well said what do you think?" (Dr. Harris talked to). "Says well what do you think of the teaching?" They had been here before. Said "Well they didn't tell me what to do to be saved." That's what they said, Dr. Harris didn't tell 'em what to do to be saved. See? Ain't nobody been here at no meeting where they wasn't told what to do to be saved. And it ain't enough Devils in hell to keep you from being saved if you pay attention to what we tell you. You've already read it. "How shall they believe on Him whom they have not heard?" Dr. Harris told you, he preached and teached about that. Now, listen if there's anybody here that don't know what to do to be saved, we'll read it out of the book what you must do to be saved. Try reading that, hold what you got. Don't forget now, see now don't forget now, Isaiah is asking "Yahweh who's believed our report?" Don't forget. All right read.

READER: John 17:3. . . DR. KINLEY: John 17:3. READER: And this is life eternal. . . DR. KINLEY: (Repeats) READER: that they might know that thou only art the True El

DR. KINLEY: Now that they might know, not guess, not speculate, not imagine, not feel like it, not believe, but know that thou art the True El.

READER: and Yahshua the Messiah whom thou hath sent.

DR. KINLEY: And Yahshua the Messiah whom thou hath sent. Right? Now look over there in the Acts of Apostles and get where Paul and Silas was in prison. They were put in jail for preaching, doing what they were told to do -- go out and preach in the Name of Yahshua the Messiah. And then they were put in jail, in prison. And there was an earthquake there, and the gates, everything come unlocked. The stock that they were in, or the shackles that they were shackled with came loose, and they could have escaped out of the jail. And the jailer he started to kill himself, and he said, "Don't do yourself no harm, we're here. Oh we're, we're here, we're not going anywhere. We, ain't gone run with this, not what we got." You follow what I'm talking about? Say "Well Rabbi or Revern' so and so here." We ain't gone run. They all go when the wagon come, and it's here. See? And then, now look, then they washed their sores where they had been whipped, and they asked this question, "What shall we do to be saved?" And you got his answer right there. And we've already been talking about it. Read it now. I could quote it to you. You got it doc? Paul and Silas in prison. . .

READER: And the keeper of the prison awakened out of his sleep.., (31st verse). And they said believe on the Savior Yahshua the Messiah and thou shall be saved and thy house. . .

DR. KINLEY: Well let's read where they ask the question for them to be saved.

READER: Then he called for a light and sprang in and came trembling and fell down before Paul and Silas, and brought them out and said Sirs what must I do to be saved? And they said "believe on the Savior Yahshua the Messiah, and thou shall be saved and thy house."

DR. KINLEY: Now that's what you must do. Now that's a must. Now that's what they said you must to do to be saved. See that's it. You follow? Now you see what you must do to be saved? Believe on Yahshua the Messiah. Now that's what you must do to be saved. Now don't go away and tell nobody you don't know what to do to be saved. And don't go out of here and say, "Well they don't tell you down there what to do to be saved." And don't forget that we asked you, uh Isaiah did over there see, said "Who has believed our report?" See we told you what you must do, see. Now I must hasten on, so go back to the 19th Chapter of the, uh Romans 1:19-20.

READER: For the invisible things of Him. . .

DR. KINLEY: Now look here, do you recall.. I just want you to see through what I'm talking about, I don't want you to be mistaken about it. I want you to understand it so it'll blot out your excuse, so you can decide within yourself whether Yahweh sent me or not, or whether I know what I'm talking about or not,see. What did you just say Doc?

READER: For the invisible things of Him. . .

DR. KINLEY: Now look folks look up here, look at me. The invisible things, spirit is invisible, you can't see that with your eyes, physical eyes,see. A spirit embodiment you cannot see with your physical eyes. Now I said that so I could say this. Now we talked about the sun rising out there in the sky, is that right? Now did you know that you're not suppose to look direct at the sun with your physical eyes and look at that physical sun out there? If you think anything of your eyes you better be careful about that, you see. And they teach you to smoke glasses and get you some sun glasses and put 'em on when you try to look at the sun. You don't look direct at it, but nevertheless when it begin to rise out there see, that's, and before it reaches on up in it's strength, why you can look at it. And you can also see it when it goes down without smoke glasses, and that's why I said everybody could see it. And that's a circuit, what you call a round trip. Just like the high priest went in here and made a round trip on the Day of Atonement. How 'bout that? And then stupid enough to come back out here and make, uh, repeat the same thing over again. Then Yahweh don't have no better sense than to let the sun rise in the East and set in the West every day, you see.Don't have no better sense than to fix you up so that your blood circulates through your circulatory system, in your physical body, it circulates all the time. He don't know no better than to have you breathing every day. You see what I'm talking about? You understand what I'm talking about? He don't have no better sense than to fix you up so that you have a belly and you have to eat! You see what I'm talking about? And you don't do to well when you don't eat not to long at a time. You follow? See everything that Yahweh does it operates the same way. You see that now? You, even you and everything natural.

Now Yahweh fixed it that way, listen, so that you could look at the natural things, or the physical things and understand the invisible or the spiritual things, now that's what I'm telling you about, you see. That's why Yahweh put the sun out there in the sky like that, for you to look at that sun rise, ascend or reach it's zenith in the sky (that's directly overhead), and then it goes down, it sets so that you could see that Yahshua the Messiah, see, well let's put it this way first. So that when He waited till the cool of the day when the sun in the ethereal heavens and Adam, (the son), was going down together. He's driving him into outer darkness. Everything down here is dark, every where, all up and down this whole entire thing. See? See how dark it is down through here on the bottom. You see then, waited till the cool of the day to drive that man down. The sun is going down when Yahshua the Messiah hung out there on the cross at noon day, you see. Are you listening Mickey?

MIXON: Yes, sir!

DR. KINLEY: See, so you don't have no more excuse. And whoever talks about this after I get through will have to tell you the same thing. You better tell it the same way, you see. See now here it is He's hanging out here on the cross and blood's running out of His body, and it's getting dark, turning dark over the face of the earth. The two sons going down together, Yahshua the Messiah back here and that's the second Adam. And the first one you see going down here, and he's driven out of the garden here. You follow? And that angel with that flaming sword, (Michael to be more explicit). What you say Michael for? Cause he's a warrior, and Gabriel a messenger, see with that flaming sword, you follow -- what's that for? So that man can't go back in that garden! See?

Then you wonder and 'course your preachers told you all about it! When Yahshua the Messiah ate that last supper, He rose up from the table and gird Himself about with a towel and begin to wash the disciples feet! And somebody said "Well, foot washing wasn't under the dispensation of the law." See now you're just stupid. Moses brought Aaron and his sons to the laver and washed them, and then he put on the garments. Is that right? And the laver.., and then he poured oil, (holy anointing oil) on Aaron. Is that right? And he had on the Ephod with twelve precious stones in it, representing the twelve tribes of Israel. And then under the Ephod he had the Urim and Thummin. What are you talking about? The breast plate of judgment, you follow, that's what we're talking about. See, you follow? Had that on under there, the breastplate representing the twelve tribes of Israel. And when he went in there, every day too, (listen folks) at 9 o'clock in the morning, burned that incense on that altar. And while they were burning that incense on the altar (under the dispensation of the law I'm talking about), then they were 'round on the outside of the tabernacle praying.. What's that called? That's the hour of prayer! See everybody knew that! That's the reason why we have a set, and a fixed, and an established time and a routine! You know when to come to school don't you?

AUDIENCE: Yes DR. KINLEY: Oh my I tell you. you see that now? STUDENT: Go 'head Doc.

DR. KINLEY: Then some stupid sat around here all this time and talk about, and wants to straighten us out. Done sat around here, done been up here preaching too! And all the correlations in every age and dispensation and the repetition, then stand up and say, "Well, we're getting sick and tired of repeating it over and over! We'll just go in and sat down then when the time comes somebody'll get up and start to preaching." We don't do it like that folks, we don't do it like that. Somebody say, "Well you got a problem about it?" Yes, sir! Said "Well but it says, Paul says having a form of Godliness, but denying the power of." We ain't denying the power, we have the form but we're not denying the power. And everybody that comes here knows what's gonna happen!! And it's gonna happen every time we come and we ain't gone change it! How 'bout that? I told you what Yahweh showed me. See they knew when to start to praying out there, they didn't have the Holy spirit. And when they burnt that incense, that incense in that censer represented the Holy Spirit in you making the intercession for you. That's what that's all about. 9 o'clock in the morning, 12 at noon, and 3 in the afternoon. Daniel even when he was down in Babylon raised his window and prayed toward Jerusalem. What time did he pray?!! Nine o'clock!! See? You wanna be different? See? And you don't wanna follow the teaching, you follow? You just wanna be different, see. Then you wanna have long drawn out meetings! Ain't nobody gonna sit around and listen to you I don't care how good it is. See you can get some of the very best food in the world, and you.., see you just can't keep on sattin' there and eating! See you gonna get enough some time and you're gonna quit eating, I don't care how good it is, and who made it. So we gone quit after a while. Get all worn out and all sleepy and tired and all you see and then wake up and done jumped, and you don't know what's going on, you don't understand nothing. You don't understand too well when you're wide awake! Can't even do that when you're wide awake unless you have a revelation. Now here you wanna keep me up all night and talk to me like a fool! I remember when Paul preached all night -- man sattin' up out there, out there on the limb of the window. He sattin' up there and went to sleep and fell out of the window and killed himself! And Paul went down resurrected, uh, raised him from the dead, "Now stand up here young man." Ain't that right? I preached all night long many a time, but I had a time to let school out. Said now look, we gone let out at 10 o'clock,see. We gone stop and let out at 10 o'clock. We start at 8 and let out at 10. Now if there's anybody that wanna, (this is my house), now if you wanna stay after that just sit down, I don't have nothing else to do but just teach. And that’s the way we taught a many a time. You could see the sun peeping through the venetian blinds. Said look out, "Oh I’ve got go to work, I I didn't know it was that late." Many times, see but we never set up no schedule like that. The sun rise and it does go down. How 'bout that? And then not only that, the uh, I believe it's the 3rd Chapter of Ecclesiastics. There's a time and a season for everything. There's a time to... How 'bout that? There's a time to be born, (that's nine months after conception), and then there's a time to die. Ain't that right? Get some time to the thing! There's a time to act a fool and there's a time to quit acting a fool. There's a time to gather stones and there's a time to throw 'em away. Ain't that right? There's a time to begot and a time to lose. Is that right? All right. I'm sorry, but I didn't mean to digress, but I just wanna let you know that we're operating here see according to the way that Yahweh set the thing up. Okay. Now he was reading Romans 1:19-20. All right read.

READER: Because that which may be known of Yahweh. . .

DR. KINLEY: Because that which may be known.., it's possible for you to know. You could find out if you wasn't so damned hard headed and so stupid and ignorant! Somebody say "Now you ought not to said that." Said "Now you you're up there cussing." I ought to tell you something about that, I think I will. See, the real truth about it is, unless you obey the Word of Yahweh you are cursed, preacher, teacher, deacons and all. And did you know that the ground or the earth was cursed? Did you know that? Did you know that the heavens themselves is not clean in His sight? And did you know that the sun, moon, and stars and earth and everything had to be to be purified with better sacrifices than bulls and turtle doves? Did you know that? What's the matter? Cursed!! That's right. You're cursed if you don't obey the Gospel, Yahshua the Messiah said so. He said "He that believeth on me as the Scriptures has said out of his belly shall flow rivers of living water, Is that right? and he that believeth not shall be damned." I didn't say it, He said it, that means destroyed. You follow? Now see people do this, they try to hold up for their preachers and what they believe, you understand, and defending what they believe. Yahweh's fixed this thing up so all your excuses and alibi's goes by the board. And listen, we don't have but one preacher and that's the Holy Spirit, and it's the same preacher all the way through, that's all. And unless that’s, that's, unless that's the preacher, see you're lost. Do you follow? And you must be able to identify that preacher in that preacher. Somebody said "Now look here, the Bible says you mustn't judge nobody. Jesus said you don't judge nobody," said that to me. They wasn't in no position to judge nobody. There wasn't a righteous man on earth to judge anybody under the dispensation of the Law, they all come short of the glory of Yahweh. Is that almost right? Now in the 6th Chapter of First Corinthians, it says "Know ye not that the sons of Yahweh shall judge the world." Is that right? You better start to wake up here and judge with something, you see? Paul said "I say so and so, JUDGE WHAT I SAY!!" You got the wrong idea about the judgment in the first place, Dr. Harris told you about it the other day. That's where you are now, right in the judgment. Said "Well I don't see Jesus, I don't see nothing." See, You follow? But now I give it to you straight folks, give it to you like it is. Now the invisible things of Him is clearly seen being understood by the things that are made, even His eternal power and uh that, uh, some folks say, “Godhead.” All right. What's that all about? Read on doc.

READER: so that they are without excuse. . .

DR. KINLEY: Now do you see that? Now look, look folks look up here at me, look up here at me folks. See now Yahweh put the sun and the moon and the stars and everything out here, and made you as you are and everything to operate in you and all nature and everything. You see? And it operates to remove your excuse, to remove your alibi, see. Now here somebody comes along say, "Well now look, I don't believe in the resurrection of the dead." Paul had some problems with that and the boys did. See? All right, when they preached out there in the synagogue and got to the resurrection of the dead, they wasn't gonna, they wasn't gonna buy that, them Jews wasn't. But look folks, you get yourself some seed, plant it in the ground, (don't dig it up, just leave it and go on off and let it along, see what's gone happen), and then you'll find it will resurrect. Why does it do that? Because Yahweh has fixed it so that you couldn't do nothing with the resurrection from the dead. You see that now? Yahweh let the sun rise so you could believe in the resurrection, you see.

Got these two sons, as I told you that one's going down and the sun going down, at noon day too. See? Then if that's true with Adam (see back here the first Adam)... Then as He resurrects from the dead... Do you see why we had to put the sun right there, His resurrection? Now here is the sun here resurrecting. See here they are both here coming down, Adam (the second Adam) or the Son, both of 'em, as it begin to dawn toward the first day of the week, see He resurrected from the dead. Now I got a question I wanna ask you. When was the last time or the first time that you heard your preacher preach about that before you come here? Now that son arose from out here on the..,tarried on earth and took them out (after He tarried 40 days and nights), then He led them out as far as Bethany to the Mount of Olives, and then a cloud received Him out of their sight. And two men stood by saying "Ye men of Galilee why stand ye gazing one at the other, this same Yahshua the Messiah which you see Him going, shall return unto you again in like manner, or like you have seen." That was a vision. Are you listening? Then He will return, in a vision or like that, a vision. You see? Are you following me now? Now look, He ascended just like you see the sun rise -- here's the sun going down. Here He is going down, and here He is coming up together. Now what I'm trying to tell you is this: See when we get done working you over down here there ain't nothing you can do but believe it. See there ain't nothing you can do but believe, I don't care where you come from. All right you take yourself some seed out there, go out there and ask any farmer, "Say buster, if you don't think them seeds gone come up there, what you planting 'em for?" And if you try and tell him they ain't gone come up he thinks you're stupid. And if some drought or something like that, or a flood comes or something another like that, they got around to the place now where it would destroy crops -- see they got around to the place now where they wanna put insurance on it. You see what I'm talking about? So if in the event that something happens, see like that should happen, you see what I'm talking about, why then they won't lose it. But don't you, can't you see that if you plant stuff in the earth, and don't you see it raises from the.. You understand? And then if that be the case then, and it's happening every day (sunrise), sun reaches it's zenith -- (sunset), Yahshua the Messiah rose from the dead, ascended on into heaven, that is went on through here into heaven itself through the vail or through the flesh, and sit down at the right hand of the Father. You follow? Then here it goes now (the circuit) see and the next day you see it coming up again, and you see it reaching it's zenith, and then you see it set -- sun rise and sun set. Now here we got here in your Bible (I want you to read there in Matthew) where it, the Jews,you see they said "That His disciples come and stole Him away." Now I'm showing you how that you yourself can disapprove of their lie!! And Yahweh said to search it, you can't, you can't read nothing like that. All right read.

READER: 28, starting with the 12th verse. And when they were assembled with the elders and had taken counsel.. You want me to pick up the thought?

DR. KINLEY: Yes, uh, pick up the thought. READER: Then said Yahshua unto them, be not afraid, go tell my brethren that they go into. . .

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