God, the Creation, the Universe and Man

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Lecture given by Dr. Kinley

TRANSCRIBED BY BEVERLY ALLEN

DR. KINLEY: … and to put forward definite positive, concrete, irrefutable evidence of the existence of God. Now there’s something that strikes my mind that I think maybe you should know. You recall Sunday that I told you in my discourse that I would not be able to finish it, just simply if I thought to, uh, in a way to, to try to tell people intelligently and in a way that they could understand. It would be best to give you a little bit at a time than it would be to just simply overload some things. And then too, the main and paramount objective is to prove the divine authenticity, the accuracy and infallibility of God and the Scriptures, the creation and the universe. It is almost inconceivable, and also unbelievable, that the earth is so full of stupidity and colossal ignorance. Everyone almost that you meet in the streets they welcome his carnal mind, thinks he’s smart, and he always has something to tell his fellow man that he derived from some scientific observation, and some imagination, something that he has learned, so he thinks, to be worthy of consideration.

Now in 1935 before I left Springfield, Ohio to go to Cincinnati, Ohio, I used to make it my business from 31 down to 36 to go in all of the stores, investigate and see and search out all the books of wisdom that I could find, and bring ‘em and put in the classroom, and we had quite a library at that time or ----- encyclopedias. But now that library is become exhausted; I don’t know where the books are. And then when I arrived in Cincinnati I tried to build up a library there. Many ones would come to me and ask me to lend them a book, and the books and all they got away. Now here is a book it expounds the creation. Well I picked it up here in Springfield, and this afternoon, today I found it at my sister’s house, she brought it to me. It’s dated December the 2nd 1935, and at that time I was living in Cincinnati. Now this man tries to go into all of the various different phases of this creation, day by day as it comes up. And in the year 1949, those of you that remember then you’ll recall I had a magazine that was, uh, what was the name of it?

STUDENT: “Coronet”

DR. KINLEY: “Cornet” the December issue 1949 where Dr. Einstein, Gamow and Bok, of Princeton, Washington, and also of Harvard, Harvard University. They have written what they thought was the age of the earth, how old it was, and their approximate guess was approximately between 2 and 4 billion years old. I tied to keep that, and every volume of it that I could find at the used book stores I took it and brought it, give it to different ones in the class, asked them to keep them.

Now in the year 1931 I told you that God had given me a revelation and a vision. And of course I came to the ---- that nobody at all from anywhere agrees with me without an education, it’s a matter of impossibility. It was God’s choice to give Moses the vision of the creation. Now the Egyptians, if you know anything about Egyptologists and how they tried to keep records, Babylonian records, you know that they all had a different concept, a different idea then the vision and the revelation God gave to Moses. And I said all of those things that they wrote in these books on the creation, on the Godhead, on matter (what it is, where it come from, where it’s going to) God - who is He? How do you know? Those are things that the most brilliant academically trained and modern philosophical and psychological minded men of this universe have tried to phantom out in harmony with the scriptures, and in some Bibles in the ---- ----. But this Book you call the Bible, it is authentic; it is true. There is no modifications, no revisions, no stultifications, and no erroneous interpretation is able to correct the Bible itself. There in confirmation of the divine authenticity of the Bible, to confirm it I mean, show of a true record, all the way down through the ages anybody knows anything about propane oilpapers can see these things way back early in the Bible. So those are the type of things I want to talk with you about tonight how that you, if you are unawares, can pick up your newspapers, read your paper, and what is stipulated in your newspaper is nothing different than what is stipulated in the Bible. And since I’ve said that I want to explain to you.

Now first of all, see this man and this book here, he was Associate ----- ----- for Princeton University with Dr. Albert Einstein, the scientist, of which Gamow, Bok, and Best, telling you how he thought the creation come into existence. Now then in these modern times we have Jehovah’s Witnesses, I have to speak of ‘em, they tried to go in and expound the creation according to Genesis, and they have failed. LaPlace, the mathematician and astronomer, long years before wrote a great big book and took it to the king, and he asked the king to read it. And when the king read it, he said “Well you didn’t say anything about God in the Bible or the God of the Bible in your book.” He said “Well I didn’t need to say anything about Him I’m, I’m doing this.” See he didn’t, it wasn’t about God, this, this is him. So that’s what the king said to him. And so it is that everybody has a different idea, opinion, scientists I’m talking about. And a lot of things that scientists, for years past and gone, have wrote and they believed and they found that it was right, it has since been torn down, and it is no more valid. I don’t know whether you know anything about the science of Cosmo plastic or cosmology or not, fact of the matter some of you more than likely never even heard tell of it. Now Cosmo plastic means to mould and to shape and to form. Just like a molder out here, and the farmer would take a pattern, and then he would mould it from that pattern, make other plastics from it. So God was called the great Cosmo plastic or the Creator of the universe. Then there was the Planetesimal System Cosmogony, where the little beams where they formed what you might say, aluminous, and then with centrifugal force it operated in space, evolved. Now when I say centrifugal, I’m implying ---- ----, and it’s just like a magnet and it evolved like that, and it accumulated electrons, molecules, atoms, and conglomeration and amalgamation and then that it grew just like you roll a snowball. And then when it got so close to the outer side of it, why a piece of the matter would fling off here, a piece over there, and a piece here, a then a piece in different directions, which formed your planets. Now that was called the Planetarium system cosmogony and scientific research. But now when you go into the Bible you find a different story altogether. And now I’ve researched I want to tell you about it. This book here was written in 1890 or 94 (you can see the copy of it), many, many years ago.

MARY GROSS: in 1884.

DR. KINLEY: 1884, and that would be when quite a bit of astronomical speculation of the creation took place, and LaPlace is writing there before that time.

Now what I want to talk with you about is God, the Creation or Universe, and man’s role in it, and the already foregone conclusion of God. And I’d like to say this: In as much so as we like to dispel superstition and ignorance and get down to reality, it is a matter of absolute impossibility. So it’s no need for you to get all worked up and think that you’re going to go out here and evangelize the world and change the situation and conditions, why, because it is the purpose of God for things to be just as they are. Now take the man in his creation, I been standing around for the last year and just let ‘em raise discussions about man and his intelligence, his capacity of it, and I listened for a while, and then I said “Well brethren it’s like this, I said first of all I understand what you’re talking about, and I understand what you’re talking about.” Now the truth about the thing is this: God, in the creation of the man, has imbued him with the sufficient capacity of intelligence for him to comprehend the existence of God and His purpose. Now God put that intelligence in that man. It says in the 1st Chapter of St. John, “God enlighteneth every man that comes into the world.” Why did He do that? So that you wouldn’t have a justifiable excuse for saying, “Well God if I had known I would have did better, and so now God I don’t think you’re justified to sending me to eternal degradation because I don’t know these things.” See you can’t say that, not to God, because He’s given you, and everyone of us, a sufficient amount for us to understand and to know the things that would save our souls. Now you understand what I mean? So now you eradicate, you abolish all of these excuses you make that’s going to be acceptable with God, because it will not work. I’m talking about before you come to class. Now then I’ll have you know on top of that, that nobody is so smart or so wise that he can instruct God. Come back to this; come back to this… Now right along with that, course I presume you’ve heard that the angels in heaven, in the 12th Chapter of Revelations, we speak of him as Lucifer, being called the Devil…but Lucifer was really the King of Tyre, and he was a type. But now the devil was cast out of heaven and cast down to the earth, and his tail drew the 3rd part of the stars from heaven. Stars are symbolical of angels. Somebody would jump up and say, “Well now don’t you know one thing, I don’t believe that; well that’s mythology.” Now all you have to do to find out something about it is just go on outside and hang around awhile, especially if it’s a clear night, and you can see stars shoot. Now you see how stupid you were. Confront us with the fallacies and yet we understand the truth about it.

Now then we have all around us various different ecclesiastical organizations or what you call churches. And people have accused me of trying to build a church in Springfield, got a lot of firework. And I have tried religiously to tell you, “No that is not the case.” Jesus Christ said, “Upon this rock I build my church and the very gates of hell shall not prevail against it.” I told you that He said that, and that it was His job building the church, just like it was His job of creating the universe - I think I’ll let Him do that. I don’t worry myself about it at all, so just erase that from your mind that I’m trying to build a church. Now, for the most part, most people don’t even know what the church is. They think that some devil down the street on the…you understand…with some name propped upon the top of the door, that’s what they think the church is. Well now that’s not what the church is. Christ is not engaged in the building of nothing like that. Now those are the things that men have in their minds. And then each one of them they philosophically, and theologically disagree with one another on what is written in this Bible, and then they set ‘em up their rituals and their teachings. Now I declare that to be wrong! Now when I declared that to be wrong, then they said that I was wrong. Now that means this, that they have the wrong intent, and the wrong concept of God as the builder of the universe, and as the builder of the church. Wrong idea altogether! No confirmation, and no verification of it stipulated in the Bible at all. Then when I come to tell you the difference about it, then some smart aleck, calling himself a preacher, will get up and say “Well them people over there in that Institute of Divine Metaphysical Research they’re wrong.” Now if he knew what this was over here, and I’m gonna tell you what it is… This is a school! It’s a school, don’t classify it as a church. And yet the church, taking it from it’s root, clearly it was the church, because what the church is or the true meaning of the church, means congregation or assembly. And now but you these few little folks around here don’t understand, and incidentally there’s more people in the church than there is the population of the earth, which you say is approximately 3 billion. Did you know that? If you don’t believe me you know I will read. The 12th Chapter of Hebrews said, “You have come to an innumerable company of angels, (see you can’t write all that down on no ledger) and to the church of the first born, to the general assembly, the heavenly Jerusalem, (not Jerusalem here, not over here) and to God,” (now somebody is looking for God; somebody trying to find God down here in some church) and to Jesus the mediator of the New Covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling that speaketh better things than that of Abel.” Now look, whatever your conception of an angel is, (well an angel is a ministering spirit), well whatever your conception of it is, do you think, from what your interpretation, do you think that somebody could grab one of them and stick ‘em in a puddle of water behind some pulpit somewhere? Well it is the purpose of God so says Paul in the 1st Chapter of Ephesians, to gather all that there is in heaven, and all that there is in earth into Christ, into His body. And now here you are stupid enough to believe that we’re going to wet somebody up into the church. Just like this man standing out here and say, “Well I’m a Baptist bred, and I’m a Baptist born, and when I die I’ll just be a Baptist gone.” You can’t tell ‘em nothing no different, and he’s mad at you because you tried to tell him something different. And there he is clowning around, and somebody sprinkling water on ‘em baptizing him, and you can’t tell him no different. But this is a school. See, and I think this, that the people of this community Springfield, Ohio, ought to be happy. And ever preacher in this town, black or white makes no difference, ought to be interested in this school, and ought to be over here trying to learn something themselves (now I’m telling you just like I see it) and try to help you to learn something. You remember that Jesus said unto the Jews, “Come unto me that ye that labor and are heavy burden, take my yoke upon and learn of me.” He knew they didn’t know. He said, “Learn of me, for I am meek and lowly, my yoke is easy and my burden is light.” You recall that? Now what harm does anybody, or what is your objection for you coming over here to this school? It’s as a denomination it isn’t by what I know through no ecclesiastical revelation and no church organization. We’re not trying to teach you a particular doctrine or no Methodist doctrine; naw we don’t go and fool with nothing like that! We’re ignorant enough ourselves without trying to teach you some more ignorance. Do you understand what I mean? What we’re trying to do is find a way out of Babylon and confusion and give you something definite and concrete. Nobody can reject it either! You know I have to get down, get down to business with you. I don’t know how long I’m going to be here, but I wanna tell you this so you’ll have some information about it. Regardless to how long I’m here I’ll never be able to tell you, I’ll never be able to tell you, (as that revelation I tried to finish on Sunday), in no two or three or four weeks what God has showed me; I’m not gonna be able to do it, but I do wanna point out some things to you in the Bible. I wanna go back on the same subject which I’ve already announced and told you what it was down here Sunday. I wanna show you how you take your newspaper, thrown out on your porch by the newspaper boy, and how everything is working out in the Universe according to what is written in this Bible and you may not realize it, and yet you may. Yet you’ve experienced it, you’ve lived through a time in the dispensations and ages whereas you should have recognized it, but you didn’t.

Now, I want you to take the 13th Chapter of Revelations… Is this fire on here?

STUDENTS: No, sir

DR. KINLEY: If you’re gonna put some fire behind me, I was just gonna say if it is don’t burn me up with it, because I’ll get down to business with you pretty soon. Now you got the 13th Chapter, now before we read anything in the 13th Chapter I want you to go to the 1st Chapter of Revelations, I wanna pinpoint some things for you, and I think it’s about the 4th verse, and read it for me. Whoever find it read it; whoever gets it first read it.

READER: John to the seven churches which are in Asia… DR. KINLEY: Read on, I’ll tell you when… READER: Grace be unto you and peace… DR. KINLEY: um hum READER: from Him which is, and which was, and which is to come… DR. KINLEY: (Repeats) Now you see that? All right read on. READER: and from the seven spirits which are before His throne… DR. KINLEY: Alright

READER: and from Jesus Christ who is the faithful witness and the first begotten of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth. Unto Him that loved us and washed us from our sins in His own blood…

DR. KINLEY: Alright

READER: and hath made us kings and priests unto God and His Father, to Him be glory and dominion forever and ever Amen. Behold He cometh with clouds, and every eye shall see Him, and they also which pierced Him…

DR. KINLEY: Now look, see I’m gonna stop you there. Now somebody’s always saying, “Now look, I don’t wanna go down to that school of metaphysics, because every time I go down there they’re always talking about the Israelites coming out of Egypt under a cloud.” They say, “I know that, I heard that.” Well whether you wanna come down here and hear about it or not, you are gonna see Him because that’s the way He’s coming, with clouds, and every eye shall that want to see or don’t want to see, shall see. Now listen, listen, now I tried to tell you repeatedly, and as one of the failures, made a mistake, Jehovah’s Witnesses, and all the scientists coming up out of there, (and I think I know something about a Jehovah’s Witness), have made their mistake on the creation. They don’t even get the right place to start with. Now the Creation of Heaven and Earth took place in the Cloud. The Cosmogony took place in the Cloud. The Eschatology, which means the doctrine that pertaineth to last things will take place in the cloud. You have been in the cloud all your life. All the days of our creation was created, and it abides within the cloud. I tried to show it to you up here. THIS CLOUD DENOTES SPIRIT; IT DENOTES ETERNITY. The 57th Chapter of Isaiah and the 15th verse, God said “I ENHABIT ETERNITY.” Now watch and listen. You’ll find in the 2nd Chapter of Genesis and the 1st verse, also in the 24th Chapter of Exodus the 9th & the 10th verse that God called unto Moses out of the midst of the cloud. This is the same thing as saying that God called unto Moses out of the realm of eternity. Now what you talking about? I’m talking about everything taking place in the cloud, God inhabiting the cloud or eternity. Spirit is the habitation of God. All of this whole entire creation, makes no difference what it is, takes place in that cloud or in the realm of eternity. Now listen, are you listening now? This is called also The Day of God - not night, I said Day - The Day of the Lord. Now do you recall the Apostle Paul, and also Peter, and also Jesus spoke about it, that Day of God coming upon you unawares. He told John not to write what the seven thunders uttered, why, because He said, “The Day is at hand.” Every day that you rise, and every day from the time of its creation, that day is forever present, or the Eternal God, and the Eternal Day is forever present. Now listen, when all that God has, in His declaration of the end from the beginning that pertaineth to these ages comes to pass, you will find yourself in the Day of God. And it will be manifested within the cloud and every eye shall see Him, want to or no want to, even they that pierced Him shall wail because of it. Now did you get that clear? Well don’t go out; don’t go out and say, “Well now I never learn anything.” Learn that. And it is, listen, within Him that we live and we move and we have our being, never outside, always within God. Now you may not be conscious of it, but that’s the way that it is. Now you find that in the 17th Chapter of the Acts of the Apostles. Read on.

READER: I am Alpha…

DR. KINLEY: Now I want you to see, because this is what we usually do. We usually get this singsong in reading the Bible, “I Am alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end,” and just go right on, because we never took time to think of what we read, don’t understand a thing about it. Now let me call your attention back. I said God is spirit manifesting within the cloud, symbolizing the realm of eternity. So now I wanna make this real clear, real plain: All matter has it’s source of derivative from spirit. God is spirit. God took on incorporeal, (now that’s not physical) God took on incorporeal form, so then this is ALPHA, that’s what he is saying. This is God in shape and in form only visualized through vision, cannot be seen with your physical eyes. And Jesus talking to the Jews of His day, said “Now you haven’t seen God, and neither have you seen His shape, (but you’re arguing around you scribes, you so called smart boys), and neither have you heard His voice.” You recall that? You see that now? Well now if I want to understand something about this incorporeal form, all of matter, and I wrote in the book, and every cosmic phase of nature is some or another expression of the invisible incomprehensible inscrutable deity of this universe. Therefore man is made in the likeness and the image of God. Now when you look at the man and you see his formation, how he is put together, and every way he’s put together then you can see the likeness and image of God in the man. Well that abolishes, it eliminates the necessity of you going out here and putting up a statute some place. It eliminates that superstition and ignorance. And if I don’t see what God looks like in that incorporeal state I look at you. And I’m thoroughly conscious of the fact that you live and you move and you have your being from God. And listen, in the 17th Chapter of Acts of Apostles, the Apostle Paul in Athens Greece, Mars Hill said, “You ought not to think that the Godhead is like wood and hay and stubble and stone. You ought not to think that God lives in temples made by hands.” Now were you made by hands? Paul wrote in 1st Corinthians 6:19, said “Know ye not or don’t you know that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost.” And that temple which Solomon built and set out on Mt. Moriah, Isaiah 66:1 said, “That that temple would come down.” And the question is, where is the house that ye built unto me? Now can’t you see by that, that it is stupid, now listen, and inconsistently peculiar you running around here and calling yourself putting up a building, naming it this that and the other church with some philosophical concept or ideology, and then you stand out here blowed up in your carnal mind and think that you have built a church. And Paul went on down further in there and he said, and when we used to do those things way back there before He come and… “That the time of this ignorance God winked at, but now commandeth all men, both Jew and Gentiles to repent.” Stop that foolishness. God the great architect and builder built this universe for you to inhabit. That same God that was incarnated in that physical body of Jesus Christ said, “I’ll build my church just like He built the universe.” Now you’ve undertaken it with your ignorance, and you wanna get all defiant about it too. And some stupe will come along and say… Now I don’t have nothing to throw off on nobody I was just as stupid as anybody else, and I would still be stupid if God hadn’t showed me. See I don’t have nothing to boast about, and my sufficiency is not of myself. See I use to think those things too; I use to feel that way, and would yet tonight if God hadn’t showed me. But now He’s doing His job, and it’s well done don’t you think? So I’m saying those things to let you know that this is a school. Well somebody as they have said in times past, “A school, well you could go around and look at them people, all of ‘em, but every last one of ‘em is just as stupid as they can be. They ain’t got nobody over there that’s capable and qualified to teach anybody such things.” Said, “You better go on out there some place where you can learn yourself some sense.” Now that’s the way they talked about the school. “And that little nappy headed Founder and Dean they got over there…” All of it’s the truth. (STUDENT BODY LAUGHS) I’m not any more capable and qualified of telling you something than anybody else; their opinion is just as good as mine, and in most cases better. But this just don’t happen to be my opinion, and I’m disqualified to teach long ago, and so are they, but they haven’t found out about like I have. And Jesus said, (if you don’t believe it I will let you read), in the 14th Chapter of St. John in the 25th & 26th verses He said this: “When the Comforter is come, whom the Father will send in My Name, He (not Henry Clifford Kinley) would teach you all things and call or bring to your remembrance whatever I have told you!” Not putting the professor in some theological seminary before you, He is the teacher. See the difference. And whatsoever things He told them then, and brought to their remembrance after He’d told them, those are the same things that He will tell you when He appears in the cloud, CAUSE GOD DOES NOT CHANGE. HE NEVER CHANGES; HE DECLARED THE END FROM THE BEGINNING. So He’s gonna have it right from the start, that’s the reason why I said everything is going along all right. Yes indeed. Everything is going all right, just fine, according to His purpose. That’s why He raised up Pharaoh down there. Told Moses before he went down that He was gonna harden his heart, or as you sometimes put it, that He was gonna harden his head; he ain’t gonna pay no ‘tention to you! Well he ain’t got Moses put out, and then get all surprised and say, “Well this man ain’t behaving himself; he won’t do like I tell…?” Well he knew that before he even went down how he was gonna do and how he was gonna act. Moses didn’t have no right to be surprised at the way Pharaoh conducted himself. And whenever God hardens your heart and your head it’s hard. And that same God that hardened it will soften it. (STUDENT BODY LAUGHS) Now I’m not just saying that to be smart, but He will do it. Yes indeed. Read on now I got to hurry now.

READER: I am Alpha and Omega…

DR. KINLEY: I’m Alpha, I’m the one that started the whole thing. Now lets just look at the situation. Now here is God that is PURE SPIRIT. YOU CAN’T GIVE NO DESCRIPTION OF SPIRIT. You can’t say well it’s shaped like this, and it’s formed like this, and this way and that, you… OH NO! Cause your eyes have never seen God at any time, and your eyes will ever see God at any time. Somebody say, “Hold, wait, wait, wait a minute let me find the verse.” Say, “Well what he sees is here in the Beattitudes, and He’s up on the mountain when He says Blessed are the pure in heart for they shall SEE God.” He meant just what He said, and said just what He meant. You see what I mean? Paul said, “Now look, behold I show you a mystery, we shall not all sleep but we shall all be changed.” How quick would that happen Paul? Just in the twinkling of an eye, before you can bat your eye, changed, changed from what, from a mortal to an immortal, that quick. He told them over there in Philippians, when He appears He’d change our vile bodies like unto His glorified body in the moment in the twinkling of an eye. And whenever God decides to do something He don’t drag around, and say “Well whenever I get around to it, and I hope some day I’ll be straightened out.” God is QUICK! And powerful, yes indeed, quick and powerful. David put it, “He spoke and it was done.” He got ready to set the ------ in the furnace, He said, “Just let ‘em be and there they were.” He just spoke and it was done. Wasn’t no bars around and having to do all these different evolutionary stages of creation, naw it wasn’t nothing like that.

All right, I’m Alpha and I’m Omega. And what I want to show you that this same Alpha is the same Omega, and listen He hasn’t went on no vacation. In other words, God is ever present. Now people oftentimes get this kind of an idea, some of ‘em, you know talking about Christians, they don’t like for many thing to be exposed in society. And they’re either send some of their friends down to the liquor store, they don’t wanna be caught in there. And then when they get it home they’ll set it back under something, look out the window and say “Oh here comes Sister so and so, or Brother so and so, but child I don’t want Him to see this.” Well listen let me tell you something: God is ever present; there isn’t anything that you can hide from God. David put it in this terminology “That the wicked fleeth when no man persueth.” Now here you are and you don’t want Sister so and so to see you, “Hurry up and get the whiskey, get the…” WHAT ARE YOU RUNNING FOR? What’s the matter with you? IT’S RIGHT UP HERE IN YOU! See God sees it all the time. He’s looking right at you all the time, you ain’t hiding nothing! You’re just deceived! You’re fooling yourself! You’re kidding yourself cause God is ever present. Cause what’s wrong with you is your condemned conscience; you ain’t what you ought to be. Now when it gets around to me, I’m talking about me personally, and the reason why I’m so persecuted. I eat and drink anything I want to eat and drink, take a shot anytime I get good and read, give you some to, (STUDENT BODY LAUGHS) cause my religion does not consists of morals. I eat anything I wanna eat, drink anything I wanna drink, and it ain’t nobody’s business! And I don’t think I’m any better off by not doing those things than I am in participating. No, I don’t believe in over doing nothing, over eating being a glutton, be temperate in all things; the Holy Spirit in you will guide you. And you get off them materialistic things, thinking that your appetites and things like that make you a Christian. That’s what the preachers around here, say, “Child, I’m living a holy consecrated life unto the Lord; this train don’t carry no, this train don’t carry no tobacco chewers, no snuff dippers.” And some of ‘em say, “No pork eaters.” Well I wanna tell you something else, THIS TRAIN DON’T CARRY NO LIARS EITHER! Now what I mean by that, what I mean by that is this: See you can abstain from all them things AND STILL BE A LIAR, and be deceived. Don’t carry nobody but the deceived either. You see through what I’m talking about? Now I have to get down to practical things. All right read.

READER: the beginning and the ending… DR. KINLEY: (Repeats) READER: saith the Lord… DR. KINLEY: (Repeats) READER: which is… DR. KINLEY: Which is, see now that’s everything, which is READER: and which was… DR. KINLEY: which was, back here, and what else? READER: which is to come…

DR. KINLEY: and which is to come. It’s all the same. Oftentimes some people say, some of ‘em, “Waaay back yonder, let me tell you, waaay back yonder…” Well waaay back yonder is right up here! Yes indeed, the purpose is moving along right. See we get all these old crazy ideas in our heads about God and the universe and you. Somebody takes the responsibility on himself, says, “Well I’m going down there and I’m going to convert them people.” Naw you ain’t, and as long as you think like that you’re not converted, cause it’s not you that’s anybody. It’s gonna be the Holy Ghost that’s gonna convert you and them too. Well said, “I’m going down there and tell ‘em something.” He don’t know nothing to tell you, listen at God a while. 13th Chapter of Revelations, we understand one another on this don’t we? Now while they’re getting the 13th Chapter of Revelations, in this book, now this man did not understand that the creation, not only of the material universe, but the angelic host took place in the realm of eternity. And I’d like to tell you now while I’m at it, when you open your Bible to the first Chapter of Genesis and the first verse, says “In the beginning God created the heavens and earth.” That is not the beginning of the creation of God. If that’s not the beginning of the creation of God then what is? See how one thing follows the other? Remember I told you that God was spirit symbolized by this cloud, eternity. He inhabiteth eternity. Eternity, there’s no place to start; there’s no place to end it. This is the day that has no end, 2nd Chapter of Genesis and the first verse: “This is the generations of the heavens and earth in The Day,” or in the eternity of God. God said, “I inhabit eternity,” and He called unto Moses out of the midst of the cloud. [Side 2] Get the connection? And Him taking on this incorporeal form, if you have it read it so it’ll be in the script, Revelations 3:14

READER: And unto the angel of the church of the Laodiceans write… DR. KINLEY: (Repeats) READER: these things saith the Amen… DR. KINLEY: (Repeats) READER: the faithful and true witness… DR. KINLEY: (Repeats) READER: the beginning of the creation of God…

DR. KINLEY: The beginning of the creation of God. You see that now? That is that He took on, after taking on this, then He come on down and He took on a physical shape and form. This is spirit. This is God manifesting in incorporeal form. This is God manifesting in Jesus. The world hasn’t understood that yet, and the got 3 distinctive individual personalities in the Godhead. Not true. So this is the beginning of the creation when spirit took on incorporeal form. And you just read there that He was the beginning, and He’s the end of it. The Godhead is threefold; Elohim means threefold, so the Godhead is threefold. You’re pneuma, psyche and soma just like the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost. Then some writer wants to show how brilliant he is and says, “Well let’s get the 5th Chapter of St. John and the 7th verse, it was not in the original manuscripts.” It’s right there in you. See I can put my hand on your head, is that touching your mind? That don’t touch your capacity of intelligence that you have either, see this is your top hat. So you’re soul, body and spirit, and these three constitutes one Nathan Higgins, one Gill, you understand just one. This is spirit manifesting in this, and this is spirit manifesting in that, not only that but all nature out here. Well when it disintegrated it goes right back to the source from whence it comes. Now those are things they don’t understand. Now they try to go on and say how old the earth is during the 6 days, and Jehovah Witnesses too. Now they don’t see that God created everything, not in 6 days. It took Moses 6 days to see everything in a vision. Those are the 6 days the cloud hung over the top of the mountain, and he saw, it took him 6 days to see the vision. They haven’t got that right either, because the evening and the morning that was the day. In other words right where it was suppose to be night, that was the day! DON’T BELIEVE ME READ THE BOOK! And when you get evening and morning where evening was, and the day itself up there in the Book, can’t you see it ain’t no night there? John looking at it on the Isle of Patmos said, “I didn’t see no night there.” Why, because it’s created in the day or in the eternity of God where time has no computation, or in the eternity of God. Now I hope you’ve gotten something out of that. I hope it’s causing you to do some thinking, give you some understanding.

Now listen, if God created something, just to show you how ignorant we have been in the past. Now we are saying that it took God 6 days to create the heavens and earth and all that in them is, which if we looked at what we just got through saying, THEN THE DAY WAS ALREADY THERE BEFORE GOD BEGIN TO CREATE! Did you understand that? Did everybody understand that? If you didn’t hold your hand up! Please hold your hand up!

PEOPLE TALKING LOW IN THE BACKGROUND: I really don’t see it Doc. Repeat it; repeat it.

DR. KINLEY: Well if you didn’t understand it, see you’re talking about God creating something in a day, Well He have to create THE DAY first before He can create anything in it. And when you talk like that you’re saying that the day was already there and God did something in that day, which was not so. On the 4th day God He placed up the sun, moon, and stars in there, (he’s reading Genesis with no understanding) no such a thing. Now what you don’t understand is the cloud hanging over the top of the mountain. See and the sun rising and setting, and that cloud hung over the top of that mountain 6 solar day while the sun rose and set, and it took Moses 6 days to see the creation, and those are the 6 days. Not that God was creating something in 6 days was already there. See you can’t make God a creator of something that He don’t create Himself. Do you understand what I mean? Do you understand now? Do you understand? Just say, “No,” if you don’t; this is the place to learn.

LADY: Inaudible

DR. KINLEY: See God is the one that created everything in the realm of eternity where there is no day and no night, where there is nothing. And now He is showing this to Moses in a vision, when that cloud hung over the top of Mt. Sinai 6 days, 1490 before he was born, and it took him 6 days to see that vision of the creation. It took him 6 days to see the vision, not that God gave him 6 days to create the thing, because He created everything in that one day or the realm of eternity, which day you don’t have no place to start, and you don’t have no place to end! Now did you understand me that trip?

LADY: um hum

DR. KINLEY: That’s better. It’s getting better now ain’t it? See where you start here in Genesis at, Moses said “In the Beginning,” in the beginning of what? In the beginning of the Vision not the beginning of the Creation! I just read to you what the beginning of the Creation was. What would Moses know about what God done in the beginning? He wouldn’t know no more about it than you if God hadn’t shown it to him in a vision, and he surely is not coeternal with God. And you can’t say that God created everything and Moses is standing and looking off, see cause that would make Moses coeternal with God, and then you’d have to say that God created everything but Moses. [Doc chuckles] I’m just trying to put it down where you can see it. Now I have to hurry on again. Now go back to the 13th Chapter of Revelations.

READER: and I stood upon the sands of the sea… DR. KINLEY: Now John said he stood upon the sands of the sea READER: and saw a beast rise up out of the sea…

DR. KINLEY: and saw a beast rise up out of the sea - the sea indicate multitudes. Now this is John in Revelations, writing the Revelation. Now the word revelation means to reveal. Now this is it revealed. Now the simplicity of revelation… Now I should say this: now catch on, catch on. John is writing nothing other than what Moses wrote. One is to confirm and to verify the other. Moses is receiving a vision and a revelation here, and John his life was preserved to be on the Isle of Patmos and to see what Moses saw and to write it down in a book, and that book is called Revelation. Now just like the Genesis in the first five books, that’s the Revelation or the Scripture. Moses just wrote down what he saw in the vision, that’s all John done. It’s the same God creating here, it’s the same God creating there. And look, He told John “What you see and hear write in a book.” And when the 7 thunders uttered their voices, see that means that each one of these days Moses heard God say, “Let there be light, and let the waters above be divided,” and John he’s just about to write that, why, was to confirm this. He said, “No, don’t write it for the time is at hand.” The Day of the Lord is at hand. You see that now?

Look, I wonder if I could just show you like this. Now look, OPEN YOUR BOOK AND LOOK AT IT! And all of you that don’t bring Bibles, bring some Bibles! The 24th Chapter of Exodus, the same thing, 24 of Exodus, what’s that verse?

MARY GROSS: Exodus 24:16

DR. KINLEY: Exodus 24:16. Now I want you to see the reason why I’m saying that to you is so you’ll know. Revelation…

MARY GROSS: 10:4

DR. KINLEY: 10:4. Now here you will find these two semicolons [colon] in both verses. Now Moses is writing… This is where I was telling you about he entered in the cloud, and the cloud covered the mountain 6 days. And then Moses wrote down what he saw in the cloud, which constitutes the Books of Genesis, what he saw in the vision. Now I told you John was out on the Isle of Patmos to confirm that. So in the 24th verse here you find this semicolon, [colon] it don’t tell you what took place in the vision there, but you have to go in the 1st Chapter of Genesis to see what happened during them 6 days. Now John out on the Isle of Patmos writing, he heard a voice as a many… so he was about to write cause he was told to write what he saw and heard. Well he was just about to write what the 7 thunders uttered, and He said, “Don’t write it John,” cause time is at hand? And then what happened?

READER: and when the 7 thunders had uttered their voices I was about to write, and I heard a voice from heaven saying unto me, seal up those things which the 7 thunders uttered and write them not…

DR. KINLEY: Why? Because Moses had wrote ‘em, seal it up, because Moses had already wrote ‘em down there. Now right in that 24th verse you find this semicolon [colon] and in that 10th verse won’t you find the same thing? Do you see it? All right. Now, he said here he stood upon the sands of the sea, and saw a beast rising up out of the sea having 7 heads

READER: and 10 horns… DR. KINLEY: (Repeats) READER: and upon his horns 10 crowns… DR. KINLEY: (Repeats) READER: and upon his head the name of blasphemy…

DR. KINLEY: and upon his head the name of blasphemy. I use to scratch my head when I was a little fellow, and I use to preach in the Church of God over there, and I said “Lord I wonder if anything like that is in the sea now a days.” You ever imagine like that? A great long serpent or something another, for miles and miles, and having red eyes and all that kind of thing, I use to imagine all them things. Did you have some funny imaginations like that?

STUDENTS: Yes! Yes! Sure.

DR. KINLEY: Well now look, see now John is writing in confirmation to this. Now that’s the 13th Chapter, now I want you to just backfire to the 11th Chapter and the 8th verse.

READER: and their dead bodies shall lie in the street…

DR. KINLEY: Now their dead bodies…remember when that destroying angel went over there, and anywhere the blood was not found, even from Pharaoh’s throne on down on the Gentiles, the first born of both man and beast was slain. And their dead bodies, and that darkness or that night, and that darkness was phenomenal, it was stygian, it was black, you couldn’t see nothing! You couldn’t how to bury ‘em. And their dead bodies that you got down in Egypt three days, and the destroying angel too... And their dead bodies, see how he’s writing in confirmation of this, this trek over here. And their dead bodies shall lie in the streets of the great city, read.

READER: which spiritually is called Sodom…

DR. KINLEY: Now wait a minute - WAIT - A - MINUTE! Just like Jerusalem beneath is allegorical to Jerusalem above, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt where, what?

READER: also our Lord was crucified…

DR. KINLEY: Now the putting to death of that paschal lamb down there, it signified and pointed to the putting to death of Messiah. And if it’s dark down there and the blood is put on each side of the lintel of the door, and it’s dark, then you can see why each hand was pierced, and why His side and His feet. That Lamb, the blood was put on each side; one hand, the other, the head and across His feet, and He’s pierced in the side. And it turned dark over the face of the earth from the 6th to the 9th hour. Why, because He’s fulfilling this. Now here comes along somebody, say, “Well I don’t understand all this.” Well I’ll tell you what your troubles is you don’t understand none of it. “Well as smart as I am if I don’t understand it I know you don’t!” You see there. Now you see how simple it is? Wherein also our Lord was crucified. Then you see you wouldn’t understand how to apply the thing spiritually and through a revelation. You’d say, “Well Christ was crucified without the gate, see without the gate.” Well He was, without the camp, but you wouldn’t know how to apply it. But when the crucifixion was ---- ---- ----, and it turned dark over the face of the earth from the 6th to the 9th hour. Now John is seeing it in the spirit, where also our Lord was crucified. Now that makes me have to read you something that I said to you before. Now you listen, you set there and listen. You don’t have an opportunity like this to often. See at that Passover they ate the unleavened bread, the bitter herbs, the paschal lamb. Now Jesus in order to fulfill that He took His disciples… Well I better go back and take John, but you make sure you’re listening now, cause I’m fixing to tell you something you never heard in your life, unless it was Sunday. Now when they ate that bread, drink of them bitter herbs, and ate of that paschal lamb… I want you to see now; you turn to the 12th Chapter of Exodus and that’s where you’ll find what I’m talking about so you won’t have to be searching around the room. That lamb was drawn out of the flock on the 10th and slain on the 14th of April. Not a bone of it was broken, so that’s why they couldn’t break the legs of the lamb here. And Jesus in order to fulfill it He said… Well let me get after it like this: All around in Egypt all of the families, all around all through the land of Egypt where they were (you listening?) in their own homes, in their houses, homes, where they lived, that lamb had to be consumed that night all the way down, couldn’t be any left over till the next morning. So if just a man and his wife couldn’t eat all of the lamb, he went over to his neighbor, and his neighbor comes in, sits down, and eat, in their respective homes or in their houses. Now when Jesus come along fulfilling that He told His disciples, He said “Now you go, and you see a man bearing a pitcher of water down in the village we’ll prepare the Passover, Passover feast down there at his house.” Well the Passover is prepared at his house for He and His disciples, (see the 12 there) including Judas, prepared for them 12. And then you read there in Matthew 26:26, and it says there “And while they were eating Jesus took the bread and blessed it, took the cup and blessed it, and give it to ‘em to eat…” I’m just breaking it down, you understand. And while they were doing that up in the upper chamber there where they were at, all around over Palestine they were doing the same thing in their homes. That’s why Paul in the 11th Chapter of 1st Corinthians and the 20th verse said, “Don’t you have houses to eat in?” Now He’s rebuking them for doing like these preachers is doing today. That Passover was not kept up there in the congregation of the assembly as these preachers are doing the first Sunday in every month. You see that? It never was done that way. Now watch, watch. Now they put on each side, up over the door, and the lintel of the door. Now Jesus that night, He took bread with His hands (now look up at me; don’t be afraid to look) He took His hand with the bread, and He took His hands and He blessed the cup (the cup of blessing which we bless). Watch now here it goes! [Raises the cup above his head indicating blood on top of door] Over the lintel of the door, 10th Chapter of St. John Jesus said, “I am the door to the sheepfold, if any man enter in by me he shall be saved…I am the door.” See this door here, they had to come in here, they could not go back out that night. Now Jesus is the door; I am the door. He’s taken His hands, and the nail prints will be driven in this one, and will be driven in that one making the door. He taken His hands, (and look up here this is over the door) the head, and over the door, and it goes on down, passes on down from the head and on down to the esophagus and on down into the intestinal tract. And the substance of it passes on through the abdominal cavity on into the bloodstream, which the next day you would have the crown of thorns on Him, His hands penetrated, his side penetrated, and that ------ with all them spots on it just like it is here. Now you see how we got the blood over the lintel of the door here? Do you see? You see how they ate the stuff? So then while they were eating (eating what?) lamb, Christ our Passover is sacrifice for us. Now do you see that?

Now I said all I said to you thus far tonight! Now here comes the devil! I stood upon the sea and saw a beast rise up out of the sea having seven heads and 10 horns and a crown upon his head, and the name of Blasphemy. They don’t know nothing about the purpose of God. John is looking back there at that Passover. And there with Jesus that night of the Passover was that, you understand, he’s right at the table. Now He’s back here with him on the Isle of Patmos and repeating the thing bringing it down where it can be seen now because it’s revealed. Now Pharaoh pursued and followed, and you know the devil’s incarnated in him just like the devil is incarnated in Judas, just like God is incarnated in Jesus. So God and the devil both were together, just like Moses manifesting God, and Pharaoh the devil. And so then here comes the Children of Israel out of Egypt. God’s bringing ‘em out, Moses didn’t bring ‘em out so don’t get that in your mind at all. God is bringing ‘em out, and they were saved by the hand of Moses, but Pharaoh pursued. And to show you that the smart boys of the Bible don’t understand it, when Cecil B. Demille made that Ten Commandments look at all the Reverends and the DD’s and LL’s and the Ph.D.’s that he had with them there, and I tried to get in on it too. Dr. Gross wrote and asked for me to be one on the staff. You know what they said, “They’re filled up!” When they drew that picture they showed where Pharaoh when he got to the Red Sea, the host of ‘em after the sea was opened up and they went into the sea, and Pharaoh went on back down to Egypt. Remember I told you that the firstborn son was slain from Pharaoh on down. Pharaoh went back home from the Red Sea, and the rest of the host was drowned. Pharaoh went back and took his son up in his arms and laid him in the arm of Moloche, and Moloche is an idol, and asked him to be revived. Isn’t that what Cecil B. Demille got in there? NAW, IT AIN’T SO! The reason why it ain’t so is because John is looking at it now, and Pharaoh was that beast the devil was incarnated, so he had to be drowned in the Red Sea. Somebody said, “Naw, it’s not so.” Look at all them Ph.D.’s. Them men are smarter than you are! All right you read 136th Division of Psalms and the 14th & 15th verse and see whether he was drowned in the Red Sea, and then come back and talk to me!

READER: You want it read? DR. KINLEY: Yes I want it read. READER: and made Israel to pass through the midst of it… DR. KINLEY: (Repeats) READER: for His mercy endureth forever… DR. KINLEY: (Repeats) READER: but overthrew Pharaoh and his host in the Red Sea…

DR. KINLEY: Say don’t you kids in school, don’t you study what a conjunction is or an articulation? And, but, if, and for, are conjunctions that join together two complete thoughts. That’s the way it was when I went to school, course that’s been a long time ago, I don’t know if they’ve changed it or not. Overthrew Pharaoh and his host in the Red Sea… Now here’s John out on the Isle of Patmos, standing out up there in that vision, and he sees that beast rise up out of the sea. Just like Pharaoh too, overthrown in the Red Sea and his body is washed ashore. You see what I mean? His body’s been washed ashore. And now John is out there and he sees that beast rising up out of the sea. And a man without the Spirit of God in him is just like a natural, so says Peter, a natural brute beast! You see that now? He sees that body washed ashore. Said, “I stood upon the sands of the sea and saw a beast rise up out of the sea having these horns and these crowns,” 10 on there too. And you break up the federation you’ll find it was 10 kingdoms that were there. All right, read on.

READER: and the beast which I saw was liken unto a leopard…

DR. KINLEY: And the beast which I saw was liken unto a leopard… Now look, ain’t no use in you trying to make Reverend something that he is not! Them spots and blemishes, and as Peter said and as Jude said, “In your feast of ------.” If he don’t know he can’t preach the truth! Them spots is on there, and he can’t change it no more so than a leopard can change his spots. Read on.

READER: and his feet were as the feet of a bear… DR. KINLEY: feet of a bear READER: and his mouth as the mouth of a lion…

DR. KINLEY: And his mouth was as the mouth of a lion. You know what Peter said about the mouth of the lion is got to be stopped. You know what he said about your adversary that walks to and fro up and down in the earth as a lion seeking whom he may devour. And these hypocrite preachers don’t know no more about God than a hog does about the Sabbath day. Go home and sit down and take a Bible and sit up half of the night and learn to recite two or three verses in the Bible and now he’s a wonderful preacher, wants somebody to call him Reverend. That’s right. And then when I get up and say something about it, then they stone me sure enough. And I have had my pants kicked too, but I will tell you if I have to run. See I don’t know if I can run to far, you might catch up with me and then I just got a good beating, but I’m sure gonna tell you. All right read.

READER: and the dragon gave him his power and his seat…. DR. KINLEY: (Repeats) READER: and great authority… DR. KINLEY: (Repeats) What time is it? I … MAN: [Inaudible]

DR. KINLEY: All right. And the dragon gave him his seat. Is that what you just read? Now I don’t have time to go over there in 12th Chapter of Revelations; I told you I can’t teach you everything all at one time. But now here is what you do know from history. It’s just (let me see if you got it down there, Babylon, Media & Persia, Greecia, and Rome)…

MAN: We don’t have that one. DR. KINLEY: You don’t have it. Well you got it in your book; you got it in your book. Babylon… MAN: [Talking very low/ inaudible]

DR. KINLEY: Now I’m not talking about that - Oh yes I know that, but I’m talking about Babylon was the first University Dynasty to rule the world, Babylon I said. Nebuchadnezzar, his father Nabopolassar was the one that overthrew the kingdoms, and Nebuchadnezzar took over his power that he inherited, and she was the first to rule the world, Babylon. Get any body’s history you want to it don’t make me no difference. Then comes Media and Persia a joint kingdom next in succession to rule the world. And then from there comes Greecia net in turn to rule the world. Then from there splitting to make the legs, Pagan and Papal Rome. And Rome was ruling the world when Jesus was born. And do you remember that Augusta Caesar, the Roman ruler, issued the decree that all the world should be taxed, and that they should return to the place of their nativity to pay their taxes. And Joseph took Mary, uh Jesus, and he went to the place where Jesus was born in Bethlehem of Judea. Now you follow and listen. Now that Paganism or Heathenism under which Jesus was born was called “The Dragon.” Now if you read in the 12th Chapter of Revelations you’ll find that the Old Dragon, Red Dragon too, was cast out of heaven; that devil was cast out of heaven. So Pagan Rome represented the dragon or the devil that was cast out of heaven. Now look, when Jesus Christ our God was in heaven, that devil that was incarnated in paganism was cast out of heaven; they’re both right down here, so paganism was ruling the world. Whereas in the beginning God gave Adam the rule over everything, see that’s the first Adam, and he lost it in submission to Lucifer, and he come on down through the ages. So then that dragon that was cast out of heaven that deceived Eve, or pagan or the devil was ruling the world. This is his kingdom, that old dragon, Pagan Rome. Read on…gave him what?

READER: his seat and power and authority…

DR. KINLEY: his seat and his power and authority. Now look up here now, and watch me carefully. Now Pagan Rome, under Constantine the ruler of paganism… Well I’m go back, I told you about Augusta Caesar, and then you hear of Nero Claudius Caesar, and you hear of other Roman rulers, now listen, now that’s paganism or heathenism, so Pagan Rome give this beast his seat and authority. Just like I take a chair, and is the seat where you occupied and ruled what is called paganism. And I give to Papalism my seat, my authority and power to rule the world. Now here comes Rome boasting and bragging (I’m talking about Roman Catholicism) bragging and boasting that they are the rightful rulers of the world, and all the world should be subjected to the Roman Catholic Church. Now that’s ecclesiastical Rome out of which they say Protestantism come. And they boast and they brag that they are the church that Christ set up that all of the world should come back in to, and Protestantism through the reformation had broken off from. Now listen at me close cause I’m trying to get down to a point. And you remember I told you from the offset that you read in your papers, and yet in still you don’t perceive. So now there’s been ecumenical after ecumenical council. No great surprise that Pope John called the last one, which performed last in 1870. And the purpose for calling the ecumenical council was to get all of the interior works of the Roman Catholic Church cleaned up inside first. Now look can’t you see that the Church Jesus Christ purchased and built with His own blood it’s sinless, it doesn’t need no cleaning up. He washed us from our sins in His own blood. He built the church; He wouldn’t have all that confusion and stupidity and ignorance, and all that boasting and bragging. You see there, He gave him a mouth speaking great swelling things; God gave him power to do that. And spoke through the mouth of a lion, the lion who rules the forest. And Paganism who first ruled the world gave his seat to ecclesiastical Rome. And here the Popes are professing and claiming that they’re the rightful rulers of the world, and that Jesus Christ Himself, that is the church of which he is the head, the Pope I’m talking about. And now it was a reformation and he’s broken off. And now he’s calling to first clean up inside and then invite ‘em back in to it, and so therefore… Do you see? Have you followed me down? Now wait, I wanna show you this in there. Now Pagan Rome transformed over to Papal Rome. Now when Christ was crucified and Judas was dead and buried, that same old spirit that was in Judas goes up to the Sanhedrin Council; he’s in that Sanhedrin Council up there now just like he rose up out of the sea, and John sees it. You see what I’m talking about? And John standing on the sands of the sea and sees that. Now see, by Paganism’s ruling the Jews they were submissive, they had to be or be put to death under paganism. They had to appeal their cases to Rome, that’s the reason why Paul said he that he appealed unto Caesar, paganism ruled at that time. And they said, “Well to Caesar you go at Rome.” And now you see paganism tried to be nice. Remember how Herod stretched forth his hand and put to death James one of the Apostles when he saw it pleased the Jews, (oh he was out to please ‘em), and when he saw it pleased the Jews he proceeded further to take Peter too, and put him in prison intending to bring him (that’s the 12th Chapter of Acts of Apostles) intending to bring him before their leader. See your Bible is clean. And now here you got that the dragon gave his power to the beast, and gave him his seat of authority. And here Paul’s come in, “For Satan himself… Now this is the change over; now it’s changing over from the dispensation of the law to the dispensation of Grace; here’s the change over, got to be shrewd, give him his seat of authority and power; that’s a change over. For Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light, or a culprit, and it is no great thing if ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness. See how the Papacy rose up in there; it was just as smoothes as a dollar. But John he’s here on the Isle of Patmos he’s seeing that operation, he’s seeing that beast rise up out of the multitude or out of that sea. He’s seeing the change over of that power. And then he has a mouth speaking great swelling things to try to establish their particular church, and the Pope is the ruler of the world. Kings and Queens and Princes all, all over the world stoop and bow to him.

Now look at the disposition when Jesus was, after He was out here in the wilderness, fasted 40 days and 40 nights, the devil come to Him and said “Now look here, if you be the Son of God command these stones to be turned to bread. And look here, set you up on the pinnacle of the temple…” Psychological transportation - you understand them words don’t you? That’s in His mind he carried Him up there, psychological transportation. He carried up to the pinnacle of the temple, and set Him down on the pinnacle of the temple and said, “Now look here, if you’ll just bow down and worship me I’ll give you all the kingdoms of the world; they’re mine.” They wasn’t, but that’s what he said he did. Jesus said, “It is written, thou shalt worship the Lord thy God and Him only shalt thou serve.” So you serve Him in the capacity in which you’re suppose to. Now he wanted Jesus to fall down and worship him, get, achieve a bargain! You don’t have to die out there just to achieve a real bargain. “You just fall down and worship me I’ll just make you a bargain I’ll just give you the whole thing.” See he’s trying to deceive Him like he did Eve; he tried to deceive Him, so don’t you think you’re immune and he won’t come and pay you a visit too. So now what I’m trying to point out to you is this: Now he’s got that same old disposition. I want you to see it! I want you to see it in your newspapers; I want you to see it everywhere! They go to Rome, and the Cardinals and all of ‘em bend down on their knee and kiss the Pope’s ring, on bended knees lie prostrate on the floor. See the same old disposition in that devil. Do you see it? Do you see it in the pictures in the paper? Now let’s see whether we’re right about it or not; now read on down.

READER: and I saw one of his heads as it were wounded to death… DR. KINLEY: Well you better, maybe you better repeat it. READER: and the beast which I saw was like unto a leopard, and his feet were as the feet of a bear… DR. KINLEY: All right read. READER: and his mouth as the mouth of a lion… DR. KINLEY: Read on.

READER: and the dragon gave him his power and his seat and great authority. And I saw one of his heads as it were wounded to death, and his deadly wound was healed…

DR. KINLEY: Now one of the things I wanna call your attention there. Now the Roman Catholic Church indict their own selves cause they claim they have ruled the world. See that’s a self-incriminating indictment, convicted them own selves. Cause no Protestant has ever done it; they’re the only ones that ever did, so that is why it’s pagan and papal. You see what I’m talking about? All right.

READER: and all the world wondered after the beast…

DR. KINLEY: Now I told you, I just got through telling you that. It said all the beast wondered after the beast; all the whole world wondered after the beast, except, read.


READER: and they worshipped the dragon… DR. KINLEY: (Repeats) READER: which gave power unto the beast…


DR. KINLEY: And they worshipped the dragon, they worshipped paganism for giving us this opportunity and this authority and this power. They worshipped the dragon who gave power to the beast, said, “Constantine, you sure did a wonderful thing, that is for Christianity.” All right read on.


READER: and they worshipped the beast saying… DR. KINLEY: (Repeats) READER: who is liken unto the beast?


DR. KINLEY: Who’s like the Pope? You see what I’m talking about? Who’s like him? Who do you know that’s ruled the world? The Pope is the rightful ruler of the world so they say. All right read on.


READER: who is able to make war with him?


DR. KINLEY: Now who is able to make war with him? Now this is the purpose of God coming down! And just as sure, just as sure as Christ witnessed and would revile, spoke against all ---- ---- ---- he is the same in the divine things, and you don’t have no right to say nothing against the Pope! And here not long ago you read it in the paper and called attention to it, where that man was saying (some comedian up there in Chicago Illinois, maybe some of the rest of you) said some things there about the Papacy, and about the Pope. And the commentator down there… what’s his name?


MARY GROSS: Tom Dogan


DR. KINLEY: Tom Dogan. What did he say? Said, “It’s a wonder they hadn’t killed him on the way to jail!” See it come up in court, and it’s in the Chicago records as of now, said “That the Pope of Rome was to holy, to sacred, to say anything disdainful or blasphemous against him, and it’s a wonder they hadn’t killed him on the way to the jail.” See the thought, and that’s what they did back there. And now here I come preaching for dear life, trying to tell you about that old devil cast out and incarnated in men coming all the way down, transforming and changing over. And you’ll let me stand around, preach my head off trying to tell you, TELL YOU BY THE BIBLE TOO… And they built up Papal Rome, 120 years in the building; I even wrote it in that book. And they wasn’t thinking about this, Noah built the Ark according to divine specifications of God, and he was 120 years in the building that before he destroyed this world, and that hellfire… See and they got over there what they call the Vatican and St. Peter and that 108 acres they got over there. And done robbed all the poor people everywhere! There’s more money and more wealth in that Vatican than there is in Congress and in the White House and in our Mint. That’s right, old relics, everything, wall and everything all decorated - why you ought to see it. Multiplied, multiplied billions of dollars, and they’re still causing the people to pay for few that they sent in. Your son or your mother or your granddaughter dies, and you got to run your hand in your pocket and pay for them to pray to get him out of purgatory, it’s around $40.00. You can get him out on credit - now you can either do one thing or the other, suit yourself, you can start now before you die and pay on it. And if you not happen to have it paid before you die then your ancestors or whoever your offspring is can pay it. Now I’m telling you the truth, and don’t you think I don’t know cause I been studying Catholicism for many, many years. And we got people in this school that was born so as to speak and was raised up Roman Catholic. More than one of you just thank me so all the time, don’t they Sister Mary?


MARY GROSS: That’s right


DR. KINLEY: Don’t Leonard thank me, and walk out on the sidewalk right in front of the hotel, and reach down and kiss me on the cheek and pat me on the shoulders, and pat me on the shoulders, and thank the Lord that he found out. And another one, his name is George P. Scott. He come to my house, ain’t had him to long, and he just like to stay right on my heels all the time, just can’t hardly turn for him, and it’s one out of Cincinnati here too. Read on I wanna finish this.


READER: and there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things…


DR. KINLEY: And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things - great things! THE POPE IS INFALLIBLE! And O’Brien, a Roman Catholic, (I tell you we’ve had ‘em from everywhere) he’s over there in Santa Monica, and he talked about the infallibility of the Pope. I said, “What you talking about?” Said, “Well his decision is an ultimatum.” I wouldn’t count on it, but if he says something he oughta explain it to you. Said, “It may be 100 years before the Pope makes an infallible expression.” I said, “Well that ain’t the way I heard it.” He said,“Well how did you hear it?” I said, “I understood by Jesus Christ that it was God speaking through them vessels, and it surely won’t be no hundred years before God gives the right utterance!” And he shut up, tears rolled down his cheeks, and he went into the lavatory and cried and carried on. I said, “You just might as well come out of there cause I’m gonna pour it on you anyhow!” Ain’t that the way it was Sister Mary?


MARY GROSS: Yes


DR. KINLEY: He cried out there, oh I was on him with all there was in me; his crying didn’t make me no difference. Now there’s just one thing I want to get to down there.


READER: and power was given unto him to continue 40 & 2 months…


DR. KINLEY: And power was given unto him to continue 40 & 2 months. Now 40 and 2 months is 1260 years, that’s one day for a year, Numbers 34 and…


READER: 14:34 DR. KINLEY: 14”34, and Ezekiel READER: 4:6


DR. KINLEY: 4:6, one day for a year that’s prophetic time. Now he’ll be in there 1260 years. Now are you listening? He says he’s listening. And after that…


READER: and he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God…


DR. KINLEY: And he opened his mouth and blasphemed against God. All of them unsavory lies that they’ve told saying, that the Pope’s given the keys of heaven and earth, and any decision he makes is binding upon the whole world. And so many things… they say “It’s a God in heaven, he’s the god on earth.” I agree. Cause over there, remember I read to you Sunday in the 2nd Epistle of Paul to the Corinthians in the 4th Chapter and the 4th verse it says “If our gospel is hid to them it’s hid to them whom the god of this world has blinded their minds lest the glorious light of the gospel should shine in unto them and they would be saved.” Now all the world, what I was after there, wondered after the beast whose names were not written in the Lamb’s Book of Life slain from the foundation of the earth. Ain’t nobody following them but them whose name is not enrolled in heaven. Now Jesus said, “My sheep here my voice and will not follow another a stranger.” You see what I’m talking bout? Ain’t no way in the world to get me into the Roman Catholic…


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