Carnal Ordinances

Lecture given by Dr. Kinley on November 3, 1974.

TRANSCRIBED BY BEVERLY ALLEN

DR. KINLEY: . . . and the moderator told you that I am the founder of the school. Forty-three years ago, 1931, after I had preached and taught in the Church of God for 15 years, and before that I was a Methodist. And before that I went to the Roman Catholic Church. The fact of the matter is that all of my life, and even in my very earliest days of my remembrance, I always believed and thought that there was a Deity or a God that was ----- when I was nothing but a child. But I was anxious to find and to know something about Him. So I went to Sunday School holding on to my mother's hand at the Baptist Church. And I would ask mother, since everybody said that Jesus was coming... And you have a lot of people talking about that now; they're saying, "Jesus is coming." And I wondered about it, and I'd asked mother, "Do you think Jesus is going to be here today, if He is I wanna see Him." I don't know I just had that desire to see Him all my life. And when I was older I then joined the Methodist Church. I couldn't get no satisfaction in it. And then I left there and went and joined the Holiness Church, the Church of God. And for many years, 15 years to be more exact, I was assistant Pastor in that. And there are people that believed in the Bible, chapter and verse, and very dogmatic about what they believe and teach. Well I couldn't see their point of view either all the way through, but I thought it was my duty to belong to something, some church, thought it was necessary. So finally by and by, I always believed in speaking things that I really believed. If I didn't believe it I just couldn't go along with it. Now the Church of God taught me two works of Grace; that is you receive Jesus first as a man. I knew that was impossible because He wasn't in the flesh to receive Him that way. And that's what you called the first work of grace. And then you went on for indefinite period of time and then you receive the Holy Ghost or the Holy Spirit. Now that was the second work of grace. They couldn't tell you how many days or anything at all about it, but that was the way it was, and some were teaching three works of Grace. Now I never have believed that grace was a work. I thought that Grace was an unmerited gift, so I couldn't accept it as a work of Grace, not even the first one. By and by, and with all of that vehement desire within me, I got pretty far up in the church, fact of the matter I was on the general council. I was nothing but a child too, very young. And everybody like to hear me speak, and not only that I had the gift of what they call Divine healing. And I laid my hand on people that were cripple and every other kind of thing that was wrong with 'em, and they were healed of all kind of diseases. That was the service that we had in the church every Sunday morning. That was first before we went into other parts of the service. So, I said that so that I could point out to you that with that sincerity and that desire to know all of my life, I did not realize I did not know a lot of things, and I realized that I didn't. What I tried to do was to preach and to teach what was in the Bible. Now there's some things I didn't know that I wanna mention to you that are important for you to know, and to show you how that you can be very easily deceived. First, the dispensation and ages, now the world today they don't go along with dispensations and ages. They just say, “The Bible says,” that's what we use, anywhere we read in the Bible, that's pertaining to you. Now that's no so. The 10 commandments, as it is call, that's given from Mt. Sinai were given to the Jews only, wasn't one Gentile in it. Now the Seventh Day Adventist say, "Remember the Sabbath day and keep it holy." And all their teaching is predicated upon the observance of the Sabbath day, the 7th day, Saturday, and look how many millions of people that belong to that. The Jews were the only ones, or the Hebrews were the only ones that was given that first covenant. And now primarily all of the churches, (it doesn't make any difference which ones you wanna talk about), they blunder, that one colossal blunder that all the churches make, they shouldn't do that. Then what was given to the Jew then in that dispensation, and in that age, was carnal ordinances. Now when we say carnal ordinances, we're talking about water baptism, Passover suppers, (which some of you have many times, called Lord suppers), foot washings, and many other natural carnal ordinances. They were given to the Jews only. Now the world is practicing what was given to the Jews. Roman Catholics are practicing the Mass, the Eucharist, the Lord supper. That's wrong. Now let me tell you this before I move from there. It's even wrong now for the Jew to practice it, because that was under the Old Covenant. Now some of the Church of God people said right recently, "No, that was not under the Old Covenant. Said that it was given down in Egypt, and that was before the Law was given from Mt. Sinai." I'd like to inform you that you have the same Deity. See I'd like to inform you about that; see, you have the same Deity. You have the same one now as then. Now all those things, natural things, and even down to the totality of the physical universe, I'm talking about everything! Everything natural, everything physical was made as it is to point to the spiritual. The natural is definitely not the reality of it. Yahweh was manifested in the flesh in a physical body. He did not remain permanently in that physical body. So now since that be the case then nothing natural and nothing physical is in this age, not a thing. And every physical body must be changed. There's something wrong with everybody! Well somebody might say, "Well what's wrong with me? The doctor give me a clean bill of health!" Yes, but you have a physical body, and that physical body must be changed. Now that brings me down to say this, AND I WANNA BE HEARD TOO. What then is in this age? Then what is in the next age? We might put it like this: The question was asked the Apostles and Silas when they were in prison, "What shall I do to be saved?" Now if you gone listen at the people out here tell it, they say, “Well you're candidate for baptism, and you must join some church. You must be governed and ruled by the rules and regulations of that church." That's wrong! Now I'm just putting it down flat-footed. That's what I'm talking about, putting it down flat-footed. That's wrong. Now to show you the reality of it, here's millions of 'em in the Roman Catholic Church, the Baptist Church, the Methodist Church, the Presbyterian Church and so forth and so on. Now they all can't be right. Well somebody said, "We all have some of the truth. See you got some truths over there and you got some truths..." No, that's no so either. THERE ISN’T BUT JUST ONE TRUTH - YOU EITHER HAVE IT OR ELSE YOU DON’T. Then somebody comes along and they say, "Well you got the devil in you and God too, or Yahweh too." No, that's not so either. Now that brings me around to tell you what Yahweh showed me. I was caught up into heaven itself. And what I receive, I received it direct from Yahweh, and that's the reason why this school was founded. In 1931 we preached and taught the vision and revelation that Yahweh has given to me. I wanna tell you something about that. There hasn't been nobody nowhere in no religion that's been able to refute it, you can't do that, and we've challenged the world. We have something to go by, something definite, something positive, something concrete, something real, something irrefutable, something undeniable to go by. We know what we're talking about and what we're doing. And Yahweh didn't just leave it like that either, for somebody to get up and say, which they all say the same thing, I just got through saying, that's if you gone let me tell it, and if that were so, then they would all be together. So you know they can't be all, you know they not all together, cause they're not all preaching and teaching the same things. And I wanna say right here, I wanna repeat this. Now if I was teaching the same thing they're teaching out there, any of 'em I'm talking about, then I too would be wrong. I am not teaching anything that the world out there, or I'm not teaching what the world out there teaches. In none of the churches, I don't care what church it is, a Jehovah's Witness or none of em, I'm not teaching no parts of that. I say they don't know what they talking about! And I say they can't prove what they're talking about. We can, we can prove it. And there's no salvation in none of that out here.

Now we had a scripture lesson read this morning. And I want you to look at that first verse, and this is Paul talking to Timothy. Please read, and read fast. I wanna get down and let somebody else, the dean or somebody today preach. And we want somebody up here that's gone tell you something about this thing. I just might as well be honest with you this morning. We, we want you to benefitted this morning. And we're very careful about what we're saying. And we do possess the ability to prove it to you, and nobody can overcome it! Now they’ve been trying it! Now I want you to know that too. Read.

READER: Now the spirit speaketh expressly. . .

DR. KINLEY: Now it didn't say that the man said it. This is Paul's letter to Timothy. He didn't say, "Now look I'm speaking expressively." He didn't say that. He said "Now the spirit speaketh expressively," read.

READER: that in the latter times. . .

DR. KINLEY: Now that's the reason I had that read, cause it's right down here where you are, right down here where you are in this present age. Yahshua the Messiah spoke of it in the 24th Chapter of Matthew, the 21st Chapter of Luke, and the 13th Chapter of Mark, and it's worse now than it's ever been in the history of the world. And for your information, I don't think some of you know it. The Roman Catholics, numbering over 550 million, they believe that 1975, which is but a very few days from now, the end of the world will come and Jesus will come down through the sky. Jehovah's Witnesses believe the same thing, and they're preaching and teaching that 1975 will be the end of the world. The Church of God is preaching the same thing, 1975 will be the end of the world. Now if you look back at the first age 1656, see we of this age has already over-run that one, the first age. I'm talking about from Adam to the flood, that was only 1600 and 56 years. And now you're 1900 years in this, in this one, the present age. So it's got to end, I don't say 1975. See but the spirit is speaking expressively... Before the age can end, here you are with all this erroneous doctrine out here. "The spirit's speaking expressively or saying in the latter time some shall depart from the faith." Doing what? "Giving heed to seducing spirits," every one of them damnable angels that was cast out of heaven that you read about in the 12th chapter of Revelations, is preaching and teaching an erroneous doctrine. They are men, they are spirits incarnated in a physical body and preaching all this junk and stuff that you got going on in the world that makes up this spirit speaking expressively in the latter days, warning you about it. You understand what I mean? Just in one year alone the Roman Catholic Church lost 40 million people. And there's a whole lot more of 'em in there, from the Pope on down, that don't believe a thing about what they teach. They know better. They know that Jesus Christ never left heaven to build no church on Peter, they know better than that, but people just hang on to these traditions and customs - well we don't. The spirit speaketh that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to Jehovah's Witnesses and Roman Catholics, and Baptists and Methodists and whatnot! Now could I speak any plainer than that?

STUDENTS: No.

DR. KINLEY: Giving heed to the Pharisees, and the Scribes, and Sadducees, and the, what have you, and the Nazarenes, and the Nicolatians, and so forth and so on. What are they doing there doc?

READER: Giving heed to seducing spirit and doctrines of demons. . .

DR. KINLEY: Now that's what we’re talking about. We're talking about a damnable, or a doctrine of a demon, or that follow some damnable heresy. Doctrines of demons! DOCTRINES! I'M TALKING ABOUT THE DOCTRINE! The doctrine in the Roman Catholic Church is wrong! If you don't know what's the matter with it, THE DOCTRINE IS WRONG!! If you don't know what's wrong with the Baptist Church, THE DOCTRINE IS WRONG! That's what wrong with all of 'em, THE DOCTRINE IS WRONG. And they're giving heed to an erroneous doctrine that is taught. I just got though telling you about one. Why would you go back here to a carnal ordinance that was given to Israel? The book says so! It was not given to the Gentiles. And then bring up something like that and then pen it down on you here in this dispensation and age, something natural, something physical. And then got the nerve to say that Jesus said for us to do this too - no such of a thing.

Now I'll just open your eyes to something here. This Passover down in Egypt was given to the Hebrews. Now listen to what I'm saying. It was given by Yahweh; there wasn't one Gentile in it. Now this is the first one. Now if this is the first one, it can't be one in the last one. Now if you are wise enough to see that Yahweh's making that covenant with the seed of Jacob or Israelites, no Gentiles. Now if you look at the last one, 26th Chapter of Matthew... I don't want you to do a lot of reading I'll just tell you about it see. You'll find that Yahshua took His disciples and He ate it in the Upper Room. And every one of His disciples, all 12 of 'em, every last one was Jews, and not a Gentile was even invited to it, never has been in the history of the world. Now that does completely away with the Mass. I wanna tell you something else about that same thing. They ate that in their own home, in their house! They did not eat it up in the congregation of the assembly like they're doing it in the Roman Catholic Church and in the Protestant Churches. You wanna argue about it? It never was done that way in the history of the world by those it was given to. You wasn't even invited to the party! Now I've said things like this and people have challenged me on it, preachers from other different churches they challenged me on it. And I want you to know they have, the very smartest of 'em, but they had to go down. That's right. Now I'll tell you what you can't do, you can't take your Bible, (I'm showing you these erroneous things that you've been taught all your life and blundered and stumbled around over, that the spirit is telling you about), you can't take your Bible... And listen I'm not particular about where you read either from Genesis on to Revelations, you can't take your Bible and show where Yahweh, which is real, Elohim or Yahshua, the Father, the Word or Son, the Holy Spirit, Lord, God, or Jesus Christ, Jehovah or Allah or Baal, (I think I almost covered the waterfront there), ever said anything in your Bible or in the history of the ages where a Gentile should be baptized in physical water as an ordinance. It's not in your Bible. If you think it is I would like for you to read it right now or tell me where to read it. Just hold up your hand, I said it wasn't in there. Now somebody have did this, when I made a statement like that, they went on to tell me about what Peter said down over there in the 10th Chapter of Acts of Apostles. Now with a mind like that it's easy to get you all messed up. See you don't, you don't pay 'tention to what is said! I said the Lord, God, Jesus Christ, Yahweh… and then you tell me about what Peter said. Peter said a whole lot of things he had to take back. I could read 'em to you out of the Book. For one thing he said when Yahshua was coming down the mount of transfiguration he said, "No death will you die," but He did. And Yahshua said then, "Get thee behind me Satan, thou savorest not the things of Yahweh." He said that. Now let me go on with the story so you can understand what I'm talking about. I Just wanted to point those things out to you and just show you. You can't take your Bible and show no where in it where a Gentile is suppose to be baptized in physical water, it's not in it. You can't show where he's suppose to eat the Lord's supper or the feast of the Passover, it's not in the Bible. You can't show where he's suppose to have his feet washed, it's not in the Bible. Now if you think it is, now you got a break this morning, you can have the floor, I'll give it to you. And I just got through telling you if I was teaching the same thing that they're teaching out there, I'd be wrong too. I'm telling you that that old covenant was given to the Gentile, uh, given to the Jew. Now look folks, 430 years before Yahweh spoke from Mt. Sinai He made a promise to Abraham that in his seed He would bless all of the families of the earth, and that seed is this Yahshua the Messiah. Now the works of grace, He came in and He did all the works! Said "I'll work a work in your days you shall not believe though a man declared it unto you." That's the first chapter of Habakkuk. He did the works. That's the reason why I ain't gone, I ain't gone buy no Grace as that being a work. Grace is not a work; Grace is an unmerited favor. You can't merit salvation by something you do OTHER THAN BELIEVE ON YAHSHUA THE MESSIAH, that's what you're suppose to do. I'm telling you what the Bible teach. Now listen, Romans 10:17. I want you to see this. Now I, I, I want you to see this one. I want you to understand this. See it's Yahweh's responsibility (listen folks at what I'm saying) it's Yahweh's responsibility to send somebody to you to preach and teach the truth. And there's a many erroneous doctrines that's being taught in the world. Nevertheless, there is, that doctrine of Yahweh is there in the world. Read.

READER: so then faith comes by hearing. . .

DR. KINLEY: Now then faith, I want you to see what I'm talking about. Faith comes by hearing. Now if you never heard what I just told you, see then faith then comes by hearing. You got to hear it. Possibilities are you never heard nobody say nothing like that. But faith comes by hearing, read.

READER: and that by the word of Yahweh. . . DR. KINLEY: And that by the word of Yahweh. Read on. READER: but I say, have they not heard? DR. KINLEY: (Repeats) READER: yes, verily their sound went into all the earth. . . DR. KINLEY: Yes, verily their sound went into all the earth and everywhere. Read on READER: and their words unto the ends of the world. . . DR. KINLEY: (Repeats) Read. READER: But I say did not Israel know? DR. KINLEY: But did not Israel know? Israel know! All right, read. READER: first Moses said. . . DR. KINLEY: (Repeats) READER: I will provoke you to jealousy by them. . . DR. KINLEY: (Repeats) READER: by them that are no people. . . DR. KINLEY: By the Gentiles. "I’ll provoke you to jealousy by them that are no people or the Gentiles." Read on. READER: and by an unenlightened nation I will anger you. . .

DR. KINLEY: And by an unenlightened, the Gentiles they were not enlightened. Now I want you to understand what we're talking about when we say that. The Law wasn't given to him; he was unenlightened! And for the most part they're still yet unenlightened! See, unenlightened. Read on.

READER: but Isaiah is very bold. . . DR. KINLEY: (Repeats) READER: and said. . . DR. KINLEY: (Repeats) READER: I was found by them that sought me not. . . DR. KINLEY: I was found by them, the Gentiles, that sought me not. I was… Read on. READER: I was made manifest unto them that asked not after me...

DR. KINLEY: Now hold what you just have there and go to Timothy, I think it's 3:16. "For without controversy great is the mystery..."

READER: Without controversy great is the mystery of Yahweh. . .

DR. KINLEY: Now we talking about the Gentiles there where we just were just reading at in Romans, "Found by them that didn't seek Him." All right, read on.

READER: Yahweh was manifest in the flesh. . .

DR. KINLEY: Now listen; listen here. Now you just might as well to start out to understand this, this morning. Yahweh, that's all the Deity that there is anywhere, was manifested in Yahshua the Messiah whom the folks calls Jesus Christ. Yahweh is the Father. Now the way the world is got it, the Father here is one, the Son here is two, and the Holy Ghost here is three, three distinctive personalities. That is not so. Hold what you got and read Deuteronomy 4:6 or 6:4 -- 6:4.

READER: Hear O Israel. . .

DR. KINLEY: Now listen! He's telling you, now he's gone tell you something and he's expecting you to hear. Somebody say, "Well I ain't gone hear." Well you just gone be lost! "Hear O Israel."

READER: Yahweh our Elohim. . . DR. KINLEY: (Repeats) READER: is Yahweh a unity. . .

DR. KINLEY: Is Yahweh, not three distinctive personalities! You understand plain English don’t you? He's Yahweh a unity, not a trinity, and Israel was told to hear. Now go right back to where you were reading at in Timothy.

READER: And without controversy. . . DR. KINLEY: Now listen, ain't no need of no debate about it! See, we don't care to debate the issue. "Without controversy." READER: Great is the mystery of Yahweh. . .

DR. KINLEY: Now it's a great big mystery and you can't expect every Tom, Dick, and Harry to understand it! That's the reason why we got all these denominations and sects and cults in the world. You see what I mean? Great is the mystery of Yahweh. Read on.

READER: Yahweh was manifest in the flesh. . .

DR. KINLEY: Yahweh or the Father was manifested in the flesh or in His Son, Yahshua the Messiah. Now that's all there was! There wasn't no other Deity besides Him! When you're talking about God, as Jehovah's Witness said, "Jesus was God's chief represented on the earth plane." That's a lie! That's ain't so! Yahweh was manifested in the flesh. Yahweh was manifested in Yahshua. Don't forget why we had you to come over here. Said He was manifested and made known to them that was no people, the Gentiles. Now I went to this to show you when and where. All right, read.

READER: justified in the spirit. . . DR. KINLEY: (Repeats) READER: seen of angels. . . DR. KINLEY: (Repeats) READER: preached unto the Gentiles. . .

DR. KINLEY: Now you see where they found out about it? "Preached unto the Gentile." O I tell you, it's wonderful. He was found, but they wasn't seeking Him. So He preached to the Gentiles, Yahweh manifested in that physical body, and He was found, they wasn't looking for Him, but He was found of them that wasn't seeking Him. All right, read on. READER: believed on in the world. . .

DR. KINLEY: Now listen! He was believed on in the world! Now listen at me, what I'm gone say. Nicodemus, Nicodemus was one of the 70 of the Sanhedrin Council that went down to Yahshua's house by night. And now here's the 70 elders here. Now he was one of the 70 over there that come down from this 70 that's in the 24th Chapter of Exodus. They were the leaders and the chiefs of Israel. Nicodemus was a ruler of the Jews, and he went down to Yahshua's house by night. Now this is what he said to Him, (this is the 3rd Chapter of John). He said, "Master, we know, we who? All 70 of us hypocrites! We know, even though we have been out there challenging you to debates and all, trying to make a fool out of you. "We know that you a teacher come from Yahweh." How do you know that? "Because no man can do the miracles which you do except Yahweh be right with him." Now suppose I had said, “Since Yahweh being up there in the sky, He's down here.” See that wasn't what they said, Yahweh was right with 'em. And how they knew it, was no man could do those miracles which He had unless he be of Yahweh. Well what did He do? What kind of miracles did He perform? Healed the sick, raised the dead, walked on water, stilled ocean the seas, the winds and the waves. No man could do nothing like that except Yahweh be right with him. Now you know the reason why I said that? For your information that's what we have been doing in this school, and we have medical authorities and records to testify of it. And people sitting right in this audience that have been healed of all types of diseases. Now how 'bout that? Now then if that be the case you know I can't do it. I can't even heal my own self. And like Yahshua the Messiah said, "I can of my own self do nothing, my Father in me He doeth the works." I haven't never healed nobody, but they been healed. Yes indeed they've... Right where Dr. King is sitting at, right here now, a woman in a wheel chair sat right here in the front row. And all back in Ohio...

Here just a, just a couple of weeks ago, I'm out here in Los Angeles, and that's way back there in Ohio, a doctor cussed me out at a Roman Catholic Hospital, because the baby, my grandson's baby, she had swallowed, uh, uh,

STUDENT: French fry

DR. KINLEY: A French fry had lodged in her throat, he called me on the phone and asked me about it. And he told the doctor he couldn't operate on her until he called me - he couldn't do anything just like that. And I told him take the baby by the heels and just shake it like that. He said the doctor said, (he really got hot about it), said, "That's an old method.” Said, "We don't do it that way anymore," Roman Catholic. Now he, now I'll tell you something else. Right in that hospital, he didn't know that we had taken 'em up from there, out of that hospital with broken, broken pelvis, and bones every kind of way, and ain't never been in no cast. And stood right in front of the audience... And here's a man with an esophagus, and here's a tumor on his esophagus... Said, "Just swallow, that's all." Right in his own hospital -- they sent him from there to the Cleveland Clinic. Now how do you do that? Can you ask your pastor how it's done? Well the doctor said, "Well, the way we, we don't do it that way no more, we operate on 'em." See, they were making preparations to operate. So Donny just put the man on the phone, put the doctor on the phone, he talked to me, and he said, "If the president of the United States would tell me to lift a child up by the heels, and turn it up and down and shake it like that, he said I WOULD TELL HIM TO GO TO HELL!" He was talking to me. See that's just as good as telling me to go to hell. And so I said to him, "Listen here doc." I said, "Now I am not a MD, medical doctor." See I'm called a metaphysician, not a medical doctor, and all I'm interested in is the child's recovery, saving the child's life." He said, "Well that's all I'm interested in too, but we have a better method than that now." I said, "Well if you know anything more about it than I do, just proceed, go right on." He said, "You want your grandson back on the phone?" I said, "Yes, put him back on the phone." And I told Donny, I said, "I told the doctor to go on and do whatever he thought was best." And so they went on out there and started to do what they thought was best, and the child threw up every bit of it. They had to turn right around and come back and tell 'em, "Say look, it's all over with." You see what I mean? Now it's the things like that been going on for many years. Sister Harris, uh she's here somewhere.

SISTER HARRIS: Yes, sir DR. KINLEY: There she is. Sister Farley SISTER. FARLEY: Yes, sir

DR. KINLEY: Those, those are the people that know me back in Ohio, and been knowing me for years. They use to have a habit, come along, "Doc what's happening?" What they meant was, what's going on around the world, you know. And I'd tell 'em, I said "Well, thus and so forth and so on," about the 2nd World War. . .

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. . . Dr. Gross, you were there. Didn't I tell you everything, when the war was gonna break out, and everybody was gonna be involved in it, and when it was gonna be started, and then when it was gonna be over with, didn't I tell you all that on a Thursday night?

DR. GROSS: That's right. DR. KINLEY: Told you from this, this chart here. Did I do that? DR. GROSS: You sure did.

DR. KINLEY: Dr. Allen Sr., hold your hand up. When a White House note had come from the White house, we were working at Wright Aeronautical, said they had to shut the whole shop down, no, no, further word. The treaties were being signed at sea, and there would be an announcement by Truman from the White House over the public address system in this shop coming to day. Just shut the whole thing down, everybody sit down and wait on the message. And that man… Stand up Dr. Allen, I want 'em to see you; I want 'em to look a great big liar in the face. (STUDENT BODY LAUGHS) Now he was out there and he had charge of the water works. And he come to me in my office, and he said, "Doc," he said "Is it over today?" I said, "No, sir it won't over today, they just might as well go on back to work." Am I lying?

MR. ALLEN: No DR. KINLEY: Did it happen that day? Mr. Allen: No it didn’t.

DR. KINLEY: It, it just didn't happen. Now you go get your history books and look at that. Now here's what I'm talking to you about, and here's why I brought them things up. I KNOW YAHWEH HAS SHOWED ME THE PURPOSE AND THE PLAN, AND I DON’T MAKE MISTAKES LIKE THAT, and I'm not up here guessing! WHENEVER I TELL YOU SOMETHING THAT’S THE WAY IT IS, AIN’T GONE BE NO FIX! AND I DON’T CARE IF YOU’RE AN ANGEL DROP DOWN FROM HEAVEN OR COME DIRECT OUT OF HELL! And it's gone be just like I say it is! Because it's not me that's doing the preaching and teaching. I don't know nothing, I'm the champion of the idiots, but our Father does, AND I HAVE TO TELL YOU THE TRUTH ABOUT IT. Sometimes it hurts to have to get up here and say things to people. But I know good and well the most of 'em ain't gone do what you tell 'em. They ain't gone do what Yahweh said, they don't care who said it. I know, I know that's the way it is. Somebody gone get up and walk on off and say, "Well I'm going on back to my church, I don't care what that man said!" Talking about "That man." And I tell you one thing, AND THEN SOMEBODY WALKS DOWN STAIRS AND EXPLAINS IT ANOTHER DIFFERENT WAY, say "IT AIN’T LIKE THAT; HE DON’T MEAN IT LIKE HE SAID IT?" Like I didn't have sense enough to say what I mean and mean what I say, or Yahweh don't have sense enough to say what He mean and mean what He say.

Now what we're talking about is this. Now all of the carnal ordinances right straight on from Adam on down - Adam was given an ordinance out there not to eat of the fruit of that tree, and the law was added because of that transgression; that's what the Book say. Then listen here, not just a few folks, but all have sinned and come short of the glory of Yahweh, all, everybody. So no flesh has no justification in boasting in himself, nobody. Now if you want that read, I'll read it to you. That's the 5th Chapter of Romans, "All have sinned and come short." Now look folks, and listen to what I'm talking about because I'm trying to get down now. But I'm trying to set you wise, I'm trying to tell you what's going on, what's happening. Now we showed you that He was found of the Gentiles. It's a great mystery. It's two fundamental mysteries, (now listen, listen at what I'm saying), the mystery of Yahweh, 2nd Thessalonians 2nd Chapter, you will find there the mystery of iniquity. And Paul said in his day, and even in Apostolic times, it was working then, and it has been working before he said that. It had been working from the, right here straight on down from the Garden of Eden, right straight on down through the ages, and it's still yet working. You see what I mean?

Now, I said that so I could say this to you and I want you to hear me this time. Now the first covenant back here... Now incidentally this is not the first covenant. This is the first covenant that was given to the Jews or the Hebrews - that's not the first one. There was an Abrahamic covenant before then; there was a Noahic covenant before then; there was an Edenic covenant before then. In other words there’s seven fundamental covenants. Now, but this first covenant, all of it's in the natural. And notice now, back here in the Garden of Eden he was eating of the natural fruit off physical trees; he was a physical man in the flesh. And that garden was in fruition when he was placed in it. Now listen, it took everything natural to sustain his physical, he had a natural body. So the fruit of those trees that he did eat off was symbolical and typical of the fruit of the spirit. Then everything that was given in the law, naturally so, just like this naturally so, was a schoolmaster to bring us up to Yahshua the Messiah. I mean, and I don't mean as a man walking around in the flesh, but as a quickening spirit. Now listen, so now then there's nothing natural that you can do. Yahweh never asked you to do anything natural as a Gentile did. All the carnal ordinances - read 'em Dr. Harris in Hebrews 9, well begin with 17. Now, listen at what it says. Now this is, we’re given it to you straight now, and you can't fix this. I said the Hebrews, that's what he's gonna read. All right, read.

READER: Then verily the first covenant had also ordinances. . .

DR. KINLEY: That's the first chapter, uh I mean that's the first verse. Then verily the first covenant that was given to the Hebrew... All right, then what?

READER: had ordinances of divine service. . . DR. KINLEY: Had ordinances of a divine service READER: and a worldly sanctuary. . . DR. KINLEY: and a worldly or a physical or a natural sanctuary. All right read on. READER: 9th verse. . . DR. KINLEY: (Repeats) READER: which was a figure for the time then present. . .

DR. KINLEY: Now listen here, that's a figure for the time then present. What is it a figure of? 8:5 read. I want you, I want you to see we do know what we're talking about! We can put you on the right track down here. Preacher say, "Come on give me your hand and let's start and go on to heaven, I don't know what's there but come one and let's go on and see what the ends gone be." Well now he ought to know better than that. Now this tabernacle was a figure for the time then present. It's a figure! Figure of what? Read!

READER: 5th verse of the 8th chapter. . . DR. KINLEY: 5th verse of the 8th chapter of Hebrew READER: Who served unto the example and shadow of heavenly things. . .

DR. KINLEY: That's, that's a reflection of heaven itself! Now if the person knew, when he saw them angels around the interior of that sanctuary, angels in heaven, then he'd know that this is a figure of heaven and heavenly things. And he wouldn't be standing around there, talking "Come on and let's go on and see what the ends gone be." All he got to do is look! Cause that's what it was a figure of heaven. All right.

READER: as Moses was admonished of Yahweh. . . DR. KINLEY: (Repeats) READER: when he was about to make the tabernacle. . . DR. KINLEY: (Repeats) READER: for see saith He. . . DR. KINLEY: For see saith Yahweh READER: that thou make all things according to the pattern. . .

DR. KINLEY: Now listen, you gone have to stop this here foolishness around here and go on back and make everything according to the pattern, and stop your foolishness! Cause Yahweh is the pattern. Now, when you say the pattern, let me show you what I'm talking about. Now see here's the tabernacle. It had a Court Around about, had a Most Holy Place, a Holy Place, and a Outer Court, or a Court Around About. You can’t take this golden candlestick and set it over on this side or change this furniture around in this place. You can’t change it around. Why not? Because it’s a figure of your body, cause your body is the temple of it. Your heart belongs where it is. Your bladder and so forth, your interior, intestines and whatnot belongs just where it is, see and you can’t do no fixing it, you can’t move it around over here. Say “Well I think it looks better over here.” No, that’s what Revern been doing out here, because he don’t know a thing about the pattern. Now this pattern is a figure of Yahweh, it’s the figure of a man. Now look, now you got blood out here on the altar of sacrifice. And next to that you proceed to the laver; there’s water in that to wash with. Then next the Holy Anointing Oil, couldn’t officiate in the sanctuary until he has Holy Anointing Oil. Nobody can’t do nothing with no church and no congregation without no Holy Spirit, without being anointed with the Holy Spirit you can’t officiate or nothing like that. Now somebody don’t have the Holy Spirit. Now look, I’m setting these things where they belong. This is the gate. You remember Yahshua the Messiah said “Enter in at the straight gate, for straight is the gate and narrow is the way that leadeth unto life and a few there be that find it.” Is that the way He he came in?

STUDENTS: Yes, sir.

DR. KINLEY: Now you come into this gate… Now you’re fixing to come inside this and look at it. And they got this tabernacle set off to the side, and the tent set off to the side, and this laver set over here, that’s wrong, cause it’s the straight gate. What do you mean straight? Right straight on into the Most Holy Place or into heaven itself, it’s straight. I am the way the truth and the life, no man goeth unto the Father or Yahweh, but by Yahshua the Messiah, no man. Folks say, “No, that ain’t right, said we need some indulges and some credits. See we apply our credits. Then when after you happen to die if you don’t have enough indulgences, enough credits to get you into heaven, then we borrow some from Mary or Peter or somebody.” And Peter said, “If the righteous scarcely be saved where shall the sinner and the unrighteous appear.” In other words, he just got by, by the skin of his teeth. And no man’s gonna go to the Father, and I’m not talking about the holy, so called holy father sitting over there in Rome either, I’m talking about Yahweh.

Now I done took up a whole lot of time here, but I’m trying to get down to business with you. And I haven’t brought out the point that I wanna bring out yet. Now what I wanna bring out, and what I wanna say about it is this: Do you see how these vessels are sit here…

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